Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Was thinking about work ethic yesterday. The builder working on my garden was here with his two men at 7.30. Serious hard work with leveling/laying slabs, moving a tree 😂 carried on in the heat till around 3 and left everything absolutely immaculate/tidied away a load of stuff I’d left about.
Self employed so obviously all the paperwork involved and any sickness/holidays etc no pay.
Makes me sick when I think of how politicians like KS etc have no idea what real work is like and that the VAT I and other customers pay for that real work goes to be spaffed away by this government.

They can't be that oblivious, therefore its deliberate. Hospitality has been battered under Labour.
If they tax SMEs out of existence, whilst simultaneously making it both more expensive and more risky to hire young people, there will be less jobs for young people. Its not rocket science is it.

Totally agree, I just don’t think they can connect two basic dots.

Just lacking in that ability. Especially Starmer.

I'm so confused as to why we then need to have low-income immigation, if there's such a large youth unemployment crises?
I know people are crowing that it's "less" under Labour, but I think that's misleading - it's only the rate that's dropped, numbers are still climbing, the graph has just flattened a bit on the overall increase.

Just listening to someone talk about this on the radio. He said for every 1 British born young person who has been hired recently, there are 27 non EU young people been hired in the UK.
I didn't catch his name, but found that shocking.

Yes I just heard that too.

I don’t think Starmer will understand what behaviours and motivators are to address a major issue.

I’m surprised they needed to commission Alan Milburn to tell them why young people can’t find employment.

We don’t produce much, we have off shored service jobs, we have taxed small companies and hospitality into oblivion and the rest is filled by immigration.

Agree, they didn't need to commission a review. Thats all Starmer ever does.

Agree. The obvious understanding and insight is not there at all, vacant.

I heard a little bit of Starmer being interviewed by Robert Peston last night on a podcast. He is like a robot that will repeat the same line with no thought. (Starmer that is, although I dislike Peston as an interviewer). Renewable is the answer....but Starmer, where is this all made, how does it get here, how long will it last before it needs replacing, will it kill birds, how is it recycled (if it is). What is the environmental impact of a wind turbine. Why don't they ever ask, why don't they ever tell us. Why do they just parrot the same old lines.

Other Renewable are available of course, but ditto the questions.

Think man, think!

Edited due to autocorrect

Been away and just catching up with things here. What do people think Tony Blair is up to with his essay? I heard him speak on the welfare issue and he is so reasoned. He said the figures are not comparable with other countries and we are on track to have 5 million working age adults on incapacity benefits. He also said the triple lock is unaffordable I think.

His comments are just being dismissed by Wes Streeting, Andy Burnham etc.

Is anyone watching Cathy Newman’s new show on Sky. I’m finding her unbearable to watch; she keeps laughing loudly and frequently and her questioning isn’t particularly incisive. Finding it very odd. Maybe it’s meant to be a “light” politics show?

See with the welfare issue is it an issue where people desperately desperately need it to live.... Or is it due to chancers and fleeces?

My own view - it’s just a view - is that the problem is more structural than about cheating.

We’re frequently told that the level of welfare fraud is tiny, which I don’t entirely believe because there’s no real way of knowing. But I also don’t think fraud is so rife that it accounts for that much.

The problem is that a combination of things makes welfare dependency, especially for the young, more attractive than it should be. Housing costs is one big problem. If you live at home with your parents, because realistically you have to, nowadays few parents want board so welfare is all spending money.

It will be a very unpopular opinion on MN, but I also think in Britain we’ve lost social disapproval of being out of work. When I was a child people were embarrassed to say they were unemployed, unless they were a SAHM. Not any more. That’s not a totally bad change, of course, but I do think it’s another disincentive to getting up and going to work.

Apologies it's it's been mentioned but the guardian !
The GUARDIAN!!
Britain is walking into a food crisis and the government isn't taking it seriously.

I didn't want another general election and generally we have poor politicians but I don't think we can survive with the grown ups anymore. We are struggling on every single frontt.Let's get the kids back!

Lord Wolfson spelled out why their policies are not working and why next ...a huge success story can't hire more young people as a result.

They need to go now.

@SheDemon both .

Unfortunately we have never considered just how weak our system is to abuse and yes I agree with pp we have no idea how bad the fraud is. .it seems to take BBC undercover programs and the like to find these schemes out. What's gov doing ??

Add in that apparently a quarter of young people leave school without maths or English ??

I feel sorry for young people today. They’re facing intense competition for jobs, with so many low‑skilled workers, and fewer shops and businesses are hiring because of all the taxes caused by government policies. A lot of them end up on welfare because it’s easier, and honestly, it feels like it’s encouraged now.

And then you’ve got young people with high‑functioning autism or ADHD choosing not to work and claiming PIP instead. It just feels like something in the system has gone wrong, and it needs to stop.

I think that's minimising autism and ADHD somewhat. High functioning doesn't mean that person doesn't have crippling anxiety or OCD as a comorbidity. There are many reasons someone with those diagnoses may not be able to cope with work. Unemployment stats for autistic people are shocking and it's not because they're all 'choosing' to not work.

Labour have been in power for nearly two years. In that time they’ve jacked up costs to SMEs hitting youth unemployment particularly.

Any post on here about that would be met with the usual. Labour are totally obvious and culpable.

Well they're just bald faced liars or as thick as mince. I vote for the former

What are these people anxious about?

'These people'? Wind your neck in.

Anxiety https://share.google/ZVSwzRSTmnul3SXJZ

There are a host of reasons why people with nd might operate with more anxiety than most. You can have a read and find out.

But that doesn't mean all those with high functioning nd, including those with anxiety, are necessarily lost out of the workforce. In fact, I expect society largely rides off the back of high functioning autists who have made and are making the great leaps in science and technology.

There will be people, under every diagnosis, who are swinging the lead. But where people are disabled by their condition we can do better than faux surprise and uneducated guesses about why they are struggling.

My neighbour’s son has been back from uni for 3 years. He cannot find a graduate entry job. He does odd jobs around the village. He claims UC. He is a nice chap but a bit gormless and really only wants to travel and get that graduate entry job. Not much thinking outside the box there. It is as if he feels entitled to a certain type of job because he went to uni. Spoke to his mum and she seems to feel the same too. Labour voters. She says it’s not the government’s fault. She is a teacher. I am a little surprised at her outlook.

Other DS graduates this year. And so it goes on.

My DS partner job she never found a job after graduation. Her student part time job kept her on four years later she's a manager in one of their retail units.