Thread 49 Starmer - Cóż to jest 5 milionów funtów między przyjaciółmi

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I agree that it’s gracious of him, but what will the response of voters be to it? Will it help Burnham, in view of how unpopular Starmer has unfairly become?

It reminds me very much of the "family voting" furore.

I thought exactly the same thing.

And if he hadn’t people would have said he was petty. Streeting is a snake, but Burnham isn’t any better. And he wasn’t very good last time he was in government.

He showed how petty he is when he blocked Burnham from standing in Gorton and Denton.

The rules did that. Rightly. Burnham shouldn’t even be trying. He promised the people of Manchester. He’s all ego. And he wasn’t good before. And he hasn’t the temperament for it.

I hate being combative on this thread but why didn’t the rules prevent him standing this time? What’s changed? I want the best possible PM to keep Reform out of power and if that’s Burnham with his local popularity translating into national popularity it’s fine by me.

Burnham isn’t the ‘King in the North’ has a pretty average, egotistical politician. He hasn’t put forward a single new idea, and has backtracked on several things he used to ‘believe’ in. He wants to take the credit for the work Starmer did making Labour electable. He’s going for it now because there’s good news and in a few months he wouldn’t get the traction. Back stabbing snake.
He’d be utterly shit at foreign policy, which is the most important thing currently. He’ll lose his temper when the press get going.
Are we all forgetting what he was like in Cabinet?

What’s changed is Starmer has decided it’s not worth the drama. The press make such a big deal of this sort of thing.
I also don’t want to be combative but I’m ANGRY. Realky, really , viscerally angry at Burnham.

Oh for the confidence of a mediocre white man, eh?

I think, in hindsight, it was a mistake to block Burnham in G&D. I don't think he would have won.

Starmer might have made Labour electable two years ago but all that electoral advantage has been squandered. Burnham has results any other politician would kill for - 63.4% of the votes cast in the mayoral election. If Starmer really is gracious he could take the Foreign Office where his talents are uniquely suited.

Nothing has been squandered. The press has been even more relentlessly negative than usual towards a Labour leader. Things are moving. All the indicators are positive. He said two years ago it would take two years to see any improvement and here we are.
Being mayor and being PM are vastly different. Burnham is too ‘New Labour’ p. And he wasn’t good at it even then. I don’t get the adulation.

On a 32% turnout.

I am very wary of seeing Burnham as the man to save Labour, I really am. I dislike very much how he has gone about things.

If I’m honest I don’t like any of it. The thing I’ll like least of all is seeing the most right wing government this country’s ever seen take power.

I think we can all agree on that! And I do understand that maybe the ends justify the means.

Meanwhile the Telemail is smearing Rayner again. The obsession is weird

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/471d52ae54545deb

Oh and remember folks 👆

Oh of course. I just think nerve holding is a better way to achieve that end. At least for now. And also that Burnham is very high on my list of people who shouldn’t be trusted with stopping it.

I get you, I do - but Starmer is so far to the right of New Labour he isn't even New Labour.

Ermmm... yes?

I'm no Starmer fan but the way everything is presented by the media has an anti Labour slant.

eg inflation figures... reported as down, beyond expectation but they added in "oh but they'll be 4% in a few months"

Immigration figures "Down to the Tories"

Growth figures, get similar treatment.

All Burnham has had to do is shout "Give me more money and the Government has obliged.... in Govt, it wont be so easy.

I don’t think you can say that when you look at the bills passed. He’s not radical enough for me, and particularly too far to the right on immigration, but the legislative programme is solidly left wing.

More Reform councillors without a fucking clue https://www.threads.com/@salt_baer/post/DYnRLPFjHXk?xmt=AQG0JRijx_TVPeCmNR-NXyxg-jDvnG5e1NzJ2hxEfqbcCabOT1UYUKmPpHIJkQdrJtNIv4dr&slof=1

Is it this council spending 3/4 of a million on training themselves up - as I’m pretty annoyed by all this I am going to say they probably will know less by the end of the training than they do today anyway.

It’s absolutely ridiculous - and folk don’t care! I can’t begin to imagine what would happen in government.

I am enjoying no Frogface though - long May it continue!

Labour leadership- I think any of them will face such added vitriol in the press it won’t improve anything. I mean I’d like to be wrong but can’t see it yet. I get Starmer isn’t popular - whilst not his greatest personal fan I like him being serious, I really like his foreign affairs input and I dislike revolving PM doors ha! I think if they needed a change then it wasn’t now at least.

I can’t understand how Labour’s comms are so dire - they’re doing such a lot of good stuff - I despise their immigration rhetoric and policies personally, but even there they are doing what’s apparently wanted by the people - sigh.

Green Party is not honest about why their Makersfield candidate stood down.

They claim personal reasons rather than his SM posts on Golders Green