Thread 49 Starmer - Cóż to jest 5 milionów funtów między przyjaciółmi

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Burnham really does think he is the Messiah:

I can confirm that I will be requesting the permission of the NEC to stand in the Makerfield by-election.

I grew up in this area and have lived here for 25 years. I care deeply about it and its people. I know they have been let down by national politics.

Ten years ago, I decided to leave Westminster. Why? Because, after 16 years, I came to the conclusion that our national political system does not work for areas like ours. I learnt this fighting its failure to invest in the Wigan borough, for justice for the Hillsborough families and against its treatment of Greater Manchester during the pandemic.

Over the last decade, I have been challenging this failure from the outside and building a new and better way of doing politics. We have built Greater Manchester into the fastest-growing city-region in the UK and put buses back under public control, introducing a £2 fare cap to help people with cost-of-living pressures.

However, there is only so much that can be done from Greater Manchester. Much bigger change is needed at a national level if everyday life is to be made more affordable again. This is why I now seek people’s support to return to Parliament: to bring the change we have brought to Greater Manchester to the whole of the UK and make politics work properly for people.

Millions are struggling and they need the Labour Government to succeed. It has already made changes to make life better for them in its first two years. After this week, we owe it to people to come back together as a Labour movement, giving the Prime Minister and the Government the space and stability they need as the by-election takes place.

I want to recognise the difficult decision taken by Josh Simons and the sacrifice he and his family are making. I have worked closely with him as Mayor on issues like flooding and illegal waste dumping and have seen first-hand how effective he has been. He has put the communities of Makerfield first, made a real difference for them and should take great pride in that.

Finally, I truly do not take a single vote for granted and will work hard to regain the trust of people in the Makerfield constituency, many of whom have long supported our party but lost faith in recent times. We will change Labour for the better and make it a party you can believe in again.

I’m really annoyed about this. Yes, I voted Labour, but I don’t always vote for them, and right now I strongly disagree with immigration policy/rhetoric, agree Mandelson was a rookie error, and think Starmer is still learning ‘politics’ At times - plus their comms are appalling.

However, some of my hopes when voting Labour, were stability and someone boring but sensible running the country, with a range of views in cabinet/back benches, for a settled period of time.

They shouldn’t have started all this, at least not yet with everything going on even recent loss of council seats - a stupid knee jerk reaction to msm - again.

I like Burnham as mayor, some of his ideas, but not sure I liked him in Parliament- can’t recall. Not sure I like him doing this.

Streeting is a weasel and can’t remember him for much else right now ha.

Rayner I wouldn’t object to joining in now it’s started - but her tax thing isn’t cleared which will hamper her.

Anyway, wish they’d all sat down and agreed that for country first and party - they should wait a bit.

Fear is next one would be so hampered and beleaguered by witch hunts somehow there would be an early GE.

Millions are struggling and they need the Labour Government to succeed. It has already made changes to make life better for them in its first two years. After this week, we owe it to people to come back together as a Labour movement, giving the Prime Minister and the Government the space and stability they need as the by-election takes place.

So why the fuck is he forcing a by election then.

Either he is lying to the public on this, or he is doing it for personal gain. Neither are qualities in a good leader.

Also it really is playing games to change an MP for Burnham’s political ambitions- and the public are showing over and over they don’t like this type of politics, so he may well not get in. Wonder how Greens/rReform will approach this seat - don’t think Tories matter much in it ha.

Ffs
I'm utterly furious
I voted Labour in hopes of stopping this kind of bullshit

I think I'd like this seat to go lib dem, if I was in that constituency that's where I would be looking.

Conservatives after the last shit show can count themselves out.
Labour for pulling this stunt can fuck right off.
I don't like extremists, which would currently rule out both reform and the greens.

That leaves the lib dems. A moderate party that won't do anything stupid to screw up the country.

Yep. I didn't think they would be perfect, but this is just infuriating.

I honestly don't think he will win the seat so all this drama will be for nothing.

Bloody politicians. So many self serving wankers.

I agree.
They are giving reform an open goal.
Such hubris

No 10 has said they won't block him

Rayner’s tax is cleared. Not that it being cleared will stop all and sundry using it to attack her…

And as for wes streeting...what a weasel

I have already seen demands for her to release the documents

I just don’t know what to think anymore except we must keep Reform (or Reform/Con coalition) at the next general election.

Not well at the moment to search myself, can anyone say how quickly a by election can be help (assuming that NEC don’t block, not sure whether the local party have a say?)

And how quick would a leadership contest be if someone got the votes to trigger?

If Starmer said I’m going in six months but Streeting had the numbers could he force the contest?

Ah good - I missed that - thank you. Good anyway I mean, with or without all this.

Guess she’s probably the only one that I can consider ok then - she’ll need the strongest stomach/head though - though I think the way she is treated is dreadful of course.

I haven't seen any time lines yet

I like Rayner too, but she would be relentlessly attacked by the media and it would get in the way of achieving anything. I think Al Carns or Darren Jones would be good, but I’ll confess to looking too closely at political positioning.

LD in our neck of the woods have been terrible. They have claimed the glory for local changes that they had nothing to do with and their half a forest's worth of campaign leaflets are based on fibs and misinformation. They are becoming famous for their skewed bar graphs and pie charts.

I hate to have to agree here re Rayner, such a shame but yes in reality it’d not work for anyone. I’ve not looked closely enough yet at any potential others. I really don’t want to watch this play out - and I’d prefer if Keir could focus on Iran and building ties back with the EU - obviously I know there’s domestic stuff too, but they’re ploughing through a lot of decent stuff that will be on pause soon enough - sigh.

My main ‘thing’ at the minute is keeping Reform out - this is not helping ha, but not helping the country either anyway. I wonder if all those right wingers shouting for him to go will be any happier if he does?

That’s actually quite clever! He can sit & watch it all play out while getting on with the day job! Hopefully!

I wonder if all those right wingers shouting for him to go will be any happier if he does?

I doubt it will make any difference to them, most of them want Reform

I had hope some of them would join us in keeping Reform out but I really doubt it now.

Sadly, I agree about Rayner, too. I may not agree with her politically on everything, but I’ve always liked and admired her, she’s worked hard to get where she is. And I would like to see a woman lead the Labour Party.

Talking of Reform!
Farage says £5m gift a reward for Brexit campaigning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c072prlxlddo

They'll just start again on the next leader, and the next. Labour need to be strong, and show solidarity and confidence in the leadership and in the plans.

They are doing the opposite right now and handing the right the battleground on a plate. It's ridiculous.

I still have hope that the decent One Nation Tories will when push comes to shove. The Tories in Worcestershire, for example?