Labour isn't working - Thread 32

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A friend at work is in north Wales. She first went to her GP last November about worrying symptoms. After much dithering, she was diagnosed with cancer at the end of March.

Now she's being passed from pillar to post within oncology while they decide which team is going to sort her treatment. So almost two months post-diagnosis (been confirmed this week as Stage 4), she's had zero treatment and is no nearer getting any. It's horrendous.

Burnham will be as welcome as a fart in a lift if he keeps inducing MPs to stand down to give him a go, and he then keeps losing. Surely this is his only chance, and if he fails, he's out of the game?

If I were advising Reform I'd say go for a solid local candidate. That would be the best counter to Burnham. Don't get me wrong, Matt Goodwin worked his socks off in Gorton and Denton, but he was still vulnerable to the charge of being parachuted in.

Beside, Zia is a proud Scot 😉

Shippers in the Spectator:

In the eight Makerfield wards contested at the local elections, these were the results:
Reform: 50.4 per cent
Labour: 22.7 per cent
Green: 10.9 per cent
Conservative: 9.9 per cent
Lib Dem: 3.8 per cent
Other: 2.2 per cent

Well, you can't say Burnham isn't up for a challenge.

Same. I'd vote for whichever party stood the best chance to beat Burnham if it happened where I live.

Keep us posted @asillysausage

I think I heard Sam Coates say that Reform won every ward they contested in Makerfield.
Thats before Burnham stuck his oar in.

And as it happens, I think Reform have drawn the correct lesson from their last outing:
https://xcancel.com/SarahForRuncorn/status/2054973708322668557#m

If Burnham doesn't make it, what then? They'll have to have another coup, or we'll be condemned to three more years of Starmer behaving like a toddler refusing to put his wellies on.

🎤Am I hard enough? Am i rough enough?
Am I rich enough? I'm not too blind to see....🎤

Sorry but being an MP really is being a beast of burden - I have a lot of respect for those who do the job. I'm running out of respect for a handful now.

Anyway, Zia Yousuf. He's not personable enough to stand to be an MP. He has a very particular personality. I'm sure he's very good at the things that he's good at. But I don't consider him to be electable and I don't think he would ever stand as MP. I think he knows what he wants to do and jobs like that one would not be included

Just my two pennyworth

They completely wasted MattGPT as a candidate though (by running him in the wrong place) so... yeah. Who knows? They will be limited in who they've got to run. Maybe another victory for the Greens.

Oh really? I did not know that. That's very interesting.

Thanks for the link. She's not wrong is she. From the local pp's post, it sounds like Reform already have a solid local candidate, so maybe they'll stick with him.
I hope Andy doesn't think he can just continue as our mayor like nothing happened if he loses. He can fuck right off.

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Betsi Cadwaladr. Same happened to a friend's sister. By the time she was seen it was too late. She's gone into a home with a terminal diagnosis.

I don't know if prompt diagnosis would have made a difference but prompt care should be given.

Blimey quite a challenge. Not sure his loss, if he does lose, will help Starmer that much. His party will further panic about Reform under their current leader.

Who chose that constituency for him?
Starmer?

I don’t think it has much of a Green voting demographic @SapphireCasino .

not convinced it would be Burnham’s first choice of seat. That said if Burnham is selected as candidate (highly likely) and did get elected it significantly boosts his presumed “look who I can beat” argument and makes him a virtual shoo in in a Labour leadership contest.

it will be fascinating to watch it play out, and see which of the other parties decide to stand / not stand a candidate.

If he did get elected whether Labour would hang on to the Mayoralty must be open to doubt.

if he fails to win complete Labour implosion. Oh well 😀

If he fails to win complete Labour implosion. Oh well 😀

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My Jaw dropped when Burnham and crew have chosen Makerfield to attempt their coup. Electoral Calculus give Reform a 82% chance of winning. Then we put on the fact it is a By-Election arrogance of Labour forcing people to re-vote for the convenience of Andy Burnham and the perception of a 'birth rite' of becoming an MP.

This is just desperate from Burnham and crew. Unless, Burnham actually believes his own hype which is even more hilarious in nature. I suspect having looked at the numbers Burnham is privately hoping that Labour's NEC block him again enabling him to act as if he was the saviour that was not allowed.

I bet Farage, Tice, Anderson and Sarah Pochin could not believe the seat that has been chosen. Makerfield is a typical Working Class Northern Town that despises the current type of labour Politician . Even based on the outdated 2024 GE results 17,000 voted Reform 13K Conservative 4K Labour 18K

Perhaps Andy should tell people in Makerfield that we need to fix our relationship with Europe. 65% Voted Leave

That's awful.

I agree that diagnosis can take time, but the dilly dallying over treatment is appalling.

I can't even begin to imagine how stressed she must be.

My Jaw dropped when it was announced the seat that would be vacated for Burnham was Makerfield....

I can't imagine the residents are particularly into gender woo either, unlike Burnham. I think this is an exceptionally stupid move on his part. If I was a Labour supporter, I'd be concerned about all of this. As it is... 🍿 🤣

There just aren't any safe Labour seats in GM. If he'd stood in Rusholme the Greens would have thrown the kitchen sink at it.

Burnham's people are briefing that he wants to stand in a Reform-facing seat to prove he can take them on and beat them. I don't believe this.

But at least there isn't a big Green vote in Makerfield to cut into Labour, and there are likely to be a bunch of small right-wing parties (Advance, Restore, SDP, Tories) running spoiler campaigns aimed at Reform.

Looking forward to it all going tits up

Do we have a new health secretary yet? I can't see anything.

I seem to recall my brother (a GP) saying that diktat was issued to all UK surgeries, but I could be wrong.

Yes I think to be fair AB thinks / has been persuaded that he's the only candidate to stave off the Reform threat and save Labour.

It looks as if a path is being cleared for him. I assume WS and AR hope to be in his cabinet.