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Labour isn't working - Thread 32

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Nuthatch26 · 11/05/2026 11:06

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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NoWordForFluffy · 13/05/2026 18:03

For anyone like me who couldn't access this, here's the archive: archive.ph/xi5BS

SapphireCasino · 13/05/2026 18:21

@Nuthatch26 I promise I didn't send you a dodgy PM

I'm not really a fan of dodgy PMs ... I haven't caught much of a break in recent years...

I saw a tiny bit of the king's speech - I see digital ID is on the table but I note the word "compulsory" was missing. That might just be because it's too unpalatable for a king's speech.

I have seen a picture of KB and rather trivially, I thought how much I like that neckline. I think she has her clothes done by a boutique in Essex so maybe near me - but I have given up hope of wearing such lovely clothes, as a well dressed potato is still a potato.

I'm interested to hear what she said, but I've got a bunch of stuff to do before dinner so I might not get to it today.

NoWordForFluffy · 13/05/2026 18:33

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 15:57

Yes please 🙏
I think I've got a girl crush after that speech 😂

I've just watched the lot! I'm on the girl crush bench. 😁 Does she write her own speeches?

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TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 18:40

For those who prefer to read (or would just like to relive) Kemi’s speech, here it is in Hansard:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-05-13/debates/D1815612-30E6-48B0-87BF-9752836B99CA/DebateOnTheAddress

Scroll down to 15:12

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 18:57

I really enjoyed her speech too. The news agents are saying they think Streeting declaring will trigger Milliband to launch too, to block and Burnham will be snookered by early contest...

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 19:07

I will admit that having read Badenoch’s and Starmer’s speeches on the screen, hers was excellent, but I do think Starmer’s was also well written and deft. No doubt he delivered it like Hodges out of Dad’s Army, with a bunged up nose, but it reads well.

Tomorrow awaits. The starting gun needs firing. I worry that Badenoch might actually have scuppered Streeting’s chances!

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 19:25

it's a complex chess game isn't it, if Streeting triggers Milliband, Burnham can't run as it's too early, that doesn't serve the Burnham-Rayner faction, you can see how Starmer or someone adjacent and not compromised like Yvette Cooper ends up coming out on top...

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall of the labour whatsapps this evening...

News agents saying that Streeting has been goaded into this by labourites saying he doesn't have the bottle.

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 19:31

NoWordForFluffy · 13/05/2026 18:33

I've just watched the lot! I'm on the girl crush bench. 😁 Does she write her own speeches?

<makes room on bench>

Don't know if she writes her own, but her delivery is excellent.
Tbh, for me its not necessarily the speech as such, its her instinctive responses when put under pressure that I find most impressive. She did it today with ET, and Wes. Also the heckler the week before the election.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 19:36

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 19:25

it's a complex chess game isn't it, if Streeting triggers Milliband, Burnham can't run as it's too early, that doesn't serve the Burnham-Rayner faction, you can see how Starmer or someone adjacent and not compromised like Yvette Cooper ends up coming out on top...

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall of the labour whatsapps this evening...

News agents saying that Streeting has been goaded into this by labourites saying he doesn't have the bottle.

Agree.
Anyone who thinks the tories were bad for in-fighting is in for a rude awakening when Labour start their battle. It will be bad, very bad.
I would put my money on Cooper to succeed as it stands rn, as you say, coming through the middle looking sane.

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EasternStandard · 13/05/2026 19:45

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 19:31

<makes room on bench>

Don't know if she writes her own, but her delivery is excellent.
Tbh, for me its not necessarily the speech as such, its her instinctive responses when put under pressure that I find most impressive. She did it today with ET, and Wes. Also the heckler the week before the election.

Yes not many politicians can do that.

justasking111 · 13/05/2026 19:46

That barsteward Wallace Milliband has got Starmer to double down in the king's speech about net zero and continuing to block licence for oil extraction.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 19:47

Quick addition about the speeches…I laughed when I read Badenoch’s line about how all the women on the government front bench have the same hairstyle. It’s so true! I’ve been thinking that for two years. But I did notice recently that Reeves is growing hers out.

EasternStandard · 13/05/2026 19:48

I read Iain Dale’s book on Thatcher and whilst KB is her own person MT faced ridicule due to being a woman.

Some of the posts on here remind me of that for KB. Hopefully she’ll do it despite them.

CruCru · 13/05/2026 20:06

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 19:47

Quick addition about the speeches…I laughed when I read Badenoch’s line about how all the women on the government front bench have the same hairstyle. It’s so true! I’ve been thinking that for two years. But I did notice recently that Reeves is growing hers out.

I think she just hasn’t got around to having a haircut.

Scotiasdarling · 13/05/2026 20:08

CruCru · 13/05/2026 20:06

I think she just hasn’t got around to having a haircut.

I thought it was extensions. Rich women wearing poor women's hair.

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:19

Actually, scrap that. Cooper doesn't stand a chance does she - she's female. Silly me, this is Labour.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:20

EasternStandard · 13/05/2026 19:48

I read Iain Dale’s book on Thatcher and whilst KB is her own person MT faced ridicule due to being a woman.

Some of the posts on here remind me of that for KB. Hopefully she’ll do it despite them.

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Is it a good book? Sounds like something I would like.
Kemi seems to attract more hate from women than men. Bizarre.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:24

justasking111 · 13/05/2026 19:46

That barsteward Wallace Milliband has got Starmer to double down in the king's speech about net zero and continuing to block licence for oil extraction.

Laughing at Wallace 😂😂

Today's King's Speech was a pointless wafflebomb. Let's hope Wallace doesn't get the crown. He's a nutjob.

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Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 20:28

do any of you get any sense that labour have any clue why they're so unpopular? All of this 'people want faster change' guff seems to me to mistake the issue, people don't want any of their stated policies from what I can tell. Is there anything in that list of C and D list plans that ordinary people are excited about?

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:35

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 20:28

do any of you get any sense that labour have any clue why they're so unpopular? All of this 'people want faster change' guff seems to me to mistake the issue, people don't want any of their stated policies from what I can tell. Is there anything in that list of C and D list plans that ordinary people are excited about?

Nope, I don't think they know. Look at Starmer's speech on Monday! It was a disaster.

The other issue they have is that they are unpopular for very different reasons in different parts of the country. The Labour coalition of WC people, and champagne socialists all voting for the same party has never made sense to me though.

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CruCru · 13/05/2026 20:41

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 20:28

do any of you get any sense that labour have any clue why they're so unpopular? All of this 'people want faster change' guff seems to me to mistake the issue, people don't want any of their stated policies from what I can tell. Is there anything in that list of C and D list plans that ordinary people are excited about?

Nope! They only like to talk to people who think the way they do. Anyone who doesn’t is dismissed as not having understood Labour’s vision and values. Or they are “Tory scum”.

MNLurker1345 · 13/05/2026 20:46

@justasking111 “That barsteward Wallace Milliband” (LOL), in the spirit of the game, has the backing of 81, allegedly.

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:54

MNLurker1345 · 13/05/2026 20:46

@justasking111 “That barsteward Wallace Milliband” (LOL), in the spirit of the game, has the backing of 81, allegedly.

Has he?
Let the games begin then.

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NoWordForFluffy · 13/05/2026 20:56

MNLurker1345 · 13/05/2026 20:46

@justasking111 “That barsteward Wallace Milliband” (LOL), in the spirit of the game, has the backing of 81, allegedly.

He's still the wrong bloody Miliband. Absolutely no way should he get a second chance!

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 21:09

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 20:35

Nope, I don't think they know. Look at Starmer's speech on Monday! It was a disaster.

The other issue they have is that they are unpopular for very different reasons in different parts of the country. The Labour coalition of WC people, and champagne socialists all voting for the same party has never made sense to me though.

Agree. I see Labour’s failure as embodied in Starmer. It’s not only that he’s a terrible, uninspiring communicator - and an unpleasant man in his blame-throwing sneery way - but what he’s an expression of.

Labour is, and everyone can see it, a middle class project of patronising, sloganeering finger waggers. Very few people feel any affinity with these Islington technocrats.

Labour is obsessed with wonk-driven legislation and fashionable causes. Their attempts at the common touch - remember Reeves’s penny off a pint? - are so obviously contrived that people ignore them. They’re rightly seen as phoney.

Starmer thinks it’s great that we go net-zero, look up to international courts and have digital id. Nobody gives a fuck about those unless they live in Labour north London or on a houseboat.

The most successful governments like Thatcher’s and Blair’s made people feel they were on the voters’ side. They had values and visions (especially Thatcher) that were obvious and down to earth. You can’t make everyone happy but you can carry most with you if they believe you’re sincere, consistent and have goals that all can understand.

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