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Labour isn't working - Thread 32

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Nuthatch26 · 11/05/2026 11:06

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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WilmaBoot · 13/05/2026 14:20

It wouldn't be unreasonable for Starmer to have said to Streeting: 'Ok, I see your position but you need to challenge me officially. Gather your support and do that.'

Because that would be proper, unlike the parade of briefings, performance resignations and unelected body interference (unions) that's going on now.

But those in previously Labour areas now voting Reform will not be changing their views because Starmer is replaced by Wes Streeting. Streeting is no solution in the outside world, only in the inner bubble.

Labour have a romantic fondness for the leaders they never had and Andy Burnham is their current Prince Over the Water. But in the outside world he's just another Labour bloke who's been around for ages and is quite well-liked as a mayor. Mayors are very different figures to prime ministers - Boris Johnson was a popular mayor.

Burnham - who should be discouraging his supporters from calling him 'King of the North' because no-one else would call him that - has lots to lose. He's rather insulting the people of Manchester by openly considering binning them off mid-term for a better personal opportunity, and to be an MP he'd have to be gifted an artificially-induced by-election and constituents aren't usually keen on their representatives bailing out and telling them to vote for someone else approved by the Party. They could get very Boaty McBoatface about that. Princes always look more attractive when they're still over the water.

The Labour party are failing because they aren't a party with an agreed purpose and they can't represent enough of the country - it would / will be hard enough for a focused and united party to represent fragmenting Britain but Labour are fundamentally riven by the uneasy alliance of ordinary and poorer working people, a comfy middle-class 'liberal left' and hard ideological socialists that have always been pulling it apart.

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 14:24

Well said @WilmaBoot. Agree.

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 14:32

DM not from me.

Interested in this thread?

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 13/05/2026 14:34

Not me.Make a screenshot because it can be deleted.

DancingFerret · 13/05/2026 14:35

luckylavender · 13/05/2026 12:49

Honestly it's like being back at school. The mean gang out in force.

The best advice is to ignore the mean gang wherever you encounter them.

In the online world I find the ability to scroll on by works very well.

Unrivalled · 13/05/2026 14:41

@Nuthatch26 not from me either! V strange.

I agree the king of the north/game of thrones thing is setting up overly high expectations for Burnham. If I were him though, and I believed in the labour movement at this point I'd want to have a go. Because it is looking like they're about to burn to ashes at least until reform and the greens have burned out as a political force.

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 14:41

#WesWatch

He is on the front bench, 8 spaces to Starmer’s left, Mahmood is 10 spaces to Starmer’s left. Interesting.

Labour isn't working - Thread 32
DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 14:44

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 14:41

#WesWatch

He is on the front bench, 8 spaces to Starmer’s left, Mahmood is 10 spaces to Starmer’s left. Interesting.

Looks like 8 and 11 to me. Same, very good, point stands, of course.

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 14:52

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 14:44

Looks like 8 and 11 to me. Same, very good, point stands, of course.

Agreed. This is a better shot.

Labour isn't working - Thread 32
MNLurker1345 · 13/05/2026 14:54

Not me!

LupaMoonhowl · 13/05/2026 15:03

More lefty lawfare

Labour isn't working - Thread 32
Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:06

LupaMoonhowl · 13/05/2026 15:03

More lefty lawfare

Seriously?

Starmer ‘how not to make friends and influence people’.

Monty36 · 13/05/2026 15:07

Streeting is a stalking horse for Andy Burnham.

Andy B I suspect will be a person Reform would not want to see on the front bench in any capacity.
He has what Starmer doesn’t. He is a good speaker. He can galvanise. He can I suspect merge the party whilst sticking to their traditions.
He would be their nightmare.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/05/2026 15:08

LupaMoonhowl · 13/05/2026 15:03

More lefty lawfare

Where is this from? Seems very unlikely to me. Why would the Attorney General be the one to do this? It would be a party matter, surely.

Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:11

Monty36 · 13/05/2026 15:07

Streeting is a stalking horse for Andy Burnham.

Andy B I suspect will be a person Reform would not want to see on the front bench in any capacity.
He has what Starmer doesn’t. He is a good speaker. He can galvanise. He can I suspect merge the party whilst sticking to their traditions.
He would be their nightmare.

Disagree.

A dubious personality cult doesn’t beat a fundamental shift from left to right.

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 15:22

Kemi giving an excellent speech right now. Started at 15.12 if anyone wants to watch it later.

“Mr Speaker they are shouting at me but can’t wait to get back to their plotting”.

Monty36 · 13/05/2026 15:22

Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:11

Disagree.

A dubious personality cult doesn’t beat a fundamental shift from left to right.

What on earth do you mean ?

LupaMoonhowl · 13/05/2026 15:25

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 15:22

Kemi giving an excellent speech right now. Started at 15.12 if anyone wants to watch it later.

“Mr Speaker they are shouting at me but can’t wait to get back to their plotting”.

Good on Kemi!
I thought she was weedy to begin with but she is really getting her mojo now!

LupaMoonhowl · 13/05/2026 15:27

If we could have Richard Tice as PM and Kemi as deputy PM we might still be in with a chance of the country not going down in flames and not being junk bonds on work markets.

Nuthatch26 · 13/05/2026 15:28

TheNoWord · 13/05/2026 15:22

Kemi giving an excellent speech right now. Started at 15.12 if anyone wants to watch it later.

“Mr Speaker they are shouting at me but can’t wait to get back to their plotting”.

She's bloody brilliant 👏

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Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:30

Monty36 · 13/05/2026 15:22

What on earth do you mean ?

What ‘on earth’ do I mean?

The way some socialists speak of Burnham, you would think it’s the second coming.

It matters little, because whoever you have in No. 10, the country is inexorably moving to the right.

Simple enough?

Upstartled · 13/05/2026 15:32

No, not me @Nuthatch26 I'm sorry you get so much more shit than we do just for starting the thread. I've never had any weird pms.

Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:34

Meanwhile, the Starmernator thinks the old adage about keeping your enemies closer, is going to save him.

The fool.

DancingFerret · 13/05/2026 15:35

KN just slapped down self-righteous Emily Thornberry in grand style. Go Kemi!

Monty36 · 13/05/2026 15:35

Hallowedturf · 13/05/2026 15:30

What ‘on earth’ do I mean?

The way some socialists speak of Burnham, you would think it’s the second coming.

It matters little, because whoever you have in No. 10, the country is inexorably moving to the right.

Simple enough?

Well, perhaps true. And true again.
No need to be sarcastic either. It doesn’t reflect well.