To be confused by Keir Starmers speech already .

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So he’s speaking to people like me talking about his brother and how his sister works in care and how unfairly she is treated .. Yet I’m am a carer and he has done sod all to help me apart from take more money .

Oh I hear it loud and clear. I very much disagree with it. There's a difference. You'll never persuade me to vote for the privileged, racist grifter Farage who is manipulating those who feel disadvantaged in society for his own aims.

Most of what those who espouse what the far right have to say do not fully understand the actual position. Supporting the far right supports racism, let's make no bones about it.

The Tory government(s) of the time postponed local elections during local government reorganisation between 2019 and 2022. Yet when it's a Labour government seeking to do the same, Reform shouts it's denying its supporters a vote.

He didn't help Tata steel so lots of these skilled jobs gone now.

He’s not manipulating me into feel disadvantaged I already feel disadvantaged in my own country for being a white British female … and feeling more disadvantaged very sodding day

No government should be allowed to deny people their democratic vote. We do not want to live under a dictatorship where the electorate is not allowed to vote against the government of the day.

Far right?
How do you define that?
Because frankly you've only got to be an inch right of centre to have this accusation thrown at you.

Nah. I don't automatically categorise anyone in the Tory party or most of their voters as far Right, it would be nonsense. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, Nigel Farage and a disturbing number of activists in Reform, including people who have stood for elected office on the RUK ticket, yes, on the evidence of their own utterances, including the suggestion of genocide against Muslims, Holocaust denial, admiration for Hitler, there is quite a list.

If those aren't far Right views, what are they?

I am sure you are right - but as I said, I take a broader view.

A lot of UK citizens do nothing to help themselves. By your logic, why should we help or subsidise them above others who want to come and contribute?

Posted this on another thread so apologies, it's an interesting insight into what some Reform activists, including some who have now been elected, really think. Hope not Hate and a safe website.

hopenothate.org.uk/2026/04/30/60-reasons-and-counting-to-not-vote-reform-on-may-7th/

Aggravating as it is... they are British citizens.
And frankly 'wanting to come and contribute'.... so what?
We can all want... if I wanted to go somewhere and contribute I would have to jump hurdles and prove I could support myself, not turn up in a dingy..

I would suggest the VAST majority of ordinary people who have an issue with uncontrolled immigration do not , in fact, admire Hitler.

Then they should know what the real views of those they could be voting for are, don't you think? RUK vetting process appears to be a total shambles, at the very least.

ETA I would also not vote for a party whose leader hissed in the ear of a Jewish schoolmate to imitate the sound of gas in a death chamber.

I never said he was manipulating anyone into feeling disadvantaged. I think you may be inadvertently proving some of my points.

"So what?"

Are you really that short-sighted?

If we don't have people coming here to contribute, there will be no NHS staff, no carers, fewer scientists, fewer everything. Is that what you want?

Continuing the logic.

Please expand on those UK citizens who ‘do nothing to help themselves’?

What about those immigrants who don’t help themselves either (by not taking refuge in the first safe country, or giving funds to people smugglers, or by disposing of their passport, for example)?

Like for like, a UK citizen should take priority.

I trust you agree with this?

We don’t operate a points-based system, like, say, Australia.

No, I don't agree with this. I have already stated that cases should be looked at on an individual basis.

And by those "who do nothing to help themselves" - do you really need this explaining to you?

And?

Oh get real.
We have UNEMPLOYED newly qualified British trained nurses, Drs and Midwives who cannot get jobs in the NHS because there are no entry level jobs.
Junior doctors cannot get entry level/training post jobs because - guess what? They are given to overseas Dr's with more experience who come for a junior role.
Fair? No- I don't think so.

Yes, please - I do. And not, circumstantial - but via hard data, please.

Also - a comparison versus immigrants within the same ‘category’.

They are voting for parties that they feel will at least do something... rather than being ignored and told that they are racist for having concerns.
If any of the main parties had taken a firmer stance in the past we would not be in this situation now.

You mean like the last umpteen Tory governments including Johnson who jumped on Farage's Brexit bandwagon and then became PM? Those of you complaining about immigration on here are probably the same ones who didn't like other Europeans coming to the UK. The difference now is that more non-white people are coming to the UK to fill the jobs we can't fill and there's very little reciprocation.

There's nothing wrong with having concerns. It's that the likes of Reform pick and choose what to push as their message and it gets repeated as fact and snowballs.

They are however voting for at least some candidates who express extreme Right and racist views, in fact neofascist views.

You are indeed correct that we are "in this situation now" and I'm only hoping it won't go further, because given the calibre of many RUK candidates thus far, do you trust them to come up with viable economic and social strategies? Disliking people who are not white British is not going to be enough I'm afraid.

Yeah... the ones coming to work and support themselves and have a job lined up are not the issue, are they?