If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

What would you rather have? Genuine question.

But there are too many immigrants coming here yearly vs the resources this country has.

Thats just a fact and I'm not sure why we can't say that.

As someone whos family has settled here multiple generations you should agree surely

To take another item from your list as someone else did:

UC as an out of work benefit should have an expiry date of 6-12 months. If people don't even apply for jobs they should lose their benefits.

I had a well paid role (paid plenty of tax since I was 14 in part-time and full-time roles, over 3 decades) .. but universal credit is limited. I was told I could claim for up to 6 months, I had to fill in a work journal recording my search and explain what I’m applying for. I can tell you I was detailed. First time I’ve claimed UC. I’m now employed. So the above already happens.

I dont trust the people who make up Reform at all. But lots of Reform policies are very sensible. Other parties need to take note ... and fast!

Starmer at one point sold himself to his party as the only one who could stop the increase in Reform. He’s the opposite.

Asking this question on here does just get what you say, I can see why people avoid answering. And still the Dublin agreement misinformation is in earlier posts. Easier just to watch it play out with Starmer as leader.

Unfortunately, it's just the same old, same old. This cycle has been going on for ages. People are sick of the rising cost of everything. The far right shout loudly so people vote for them, thinking it will bring change. It does but not the kind that benefits anyone. And least of all the people who voted for them.

Because they're thick. HTH

Just because you write a long list of things you don’t like, doesn’t mean Farage will do those things.

I for one, will not support similar brutal behaviour to the US.

Something else. As PP said it doesn't mean we automatically move to a USA style system where people are paying £300 for an asthma inhaler.

But currently the people providing the service are unhappy, as evidenced by the constant strikes. The people receiving the service are miserable for several reasons, can't get a GP appointment, years long waiting lists etc. and the people paying for it are angry because they pay for a service that they can't even use. You've got people waiting 10 hours in A&E for something a GP should treat because they couldn't get an appointment so 111 sent them there.

It's time to move on.

In Australia, where i am from, you have a sort of mixed system. Essentially health care is free for all, but you 'pay the gap'. So, if you go to the GP, those who can get the bulk of it for free, but then you pay a top-up fee if you are in a certain cohort.

My oldest DS has anaphylactic allergies. His GP every time I order his epipens gets shitty about it. She says that unless the solution is discoloured then it's fine to use well past the expiry date. All well and good, but he's not permitted in his school without an in-date epipen. So about once a year we have the same argument with the GP about it. Once she exclaimed with irritation 'These epi-pens cost the NHS £40 each you know?!!'. I said - so fine- I'll pay for that. Issue is - I can't. There is literally no capacity inside the NHS system for me to contribute voluntarily to the cost.

In Australia? We had to use his epipens and then get new ones after the crisis. Due to their system I received 2 epipens and paid $100 AUD as the gap.

It's beyond me why that system cannot be brought in here. Fine, some of us pay £9 per prescription if eligible, but that doesn't touch the sides.

Oh lawks! What on earth did you say??!!

Wasn’t that the Tory sound bite? Labours was ‘smash the gangs’ -as it no one thought of that!
im a Tory , my pen hovered over reform though. Because I’ve personally been battered with tax increases under Labour (and vat on school fees) which I’d be ok with to a degree but there are no improvements and it feels all the increase tax revenues are going on illegal immigration and increase benefits and that’s a tough pill to swallow and I think a lot of people feel like me.

in my opinion, those sole reasons are the reason that reform will get in.

and all the Labour back benchers who didn’t let KS put through benefit reforms have got the blood of those poor hardworking local councillors on their hands.

@27TimesAway has a very interesting take.

As I say, I didn’t vote for Reform - but I didn’t vote Labour either. One of the reasons is the astonishing disrespect Labour shows for the electorate.

I did jury service in January where the outsourced catering company is charging unpaid jurors £2.95 for a bloody cup of hot water (among other travesties of shit service symptomatic of rip-off Britain). I wrote to the people in charge of it on behalf of HMCTS about it: no response. So I ended up writing to David Lammy about it - over 3 months ago. His office never bothered to respond.

That is complete contempt for the electorate. So I didn’t vote for them.

Are you saying they can't ?

Look, the two big parties have willfully mugged off the electorate for 20+ years now. Constant corruption, in fighting, taxes up / services down.

All tge while ignoring the core issues the electorate have been shouting in their face about for years and telling them what they can see with their own eyes isnt happening

Immigration
Welfare bill
Decline of national culture
Two tier justice
Cost of Living

There is sheer contempt for the electorate

Can reform deliver what the electorate want?who knows, but Its about damn time the big parties got a bloody good scare. They ignored what the electorate told them via brexit ten years ago and now here we are

I mean, did they? That’s not why I voted for them.

Yes I agree that the NHS has been run into the ground but I had a baby in 2009 and 2019 and the latter experience was pretty shocking compared to 2009.

From where I sit, the NHS worked fine until ‘austerity’. It seems obvious to me that if you stop funding a service it will stop working. Covid has also been a factor, of course.

No, it’s gone exactly how OP wanted it.

All MPs are different. My Labour MP has immediately helped me with problems I had. So did the Tory one before him.

Just because you state something as fact doesn’t make it so.

Are we adequately equipped for the number arriving here daily?

🤷🏻‍♀️ In my view our problems aren’t actually due to immigrants.

@MyTriviaum…good for you, I guess?

Jury service is a national issue and one Lammy had been looking to reform. I had thought his office would be interested in a small thing to make it better for people who largely don’t want to be there. But they’re apparently not: that radio silence (and he has an office to answer emails like this) from a Cabinet minister speaks volumes. I just thought: I have a legitimate point here, why won’t you at least engage and work to see what might be done to change it?

He couldn’t he bothered despite having over 3 months to do so. Ain’t no way I’m voting for that.

Yup. It was a gish gallop wall of text. I have posted above about this, and in other threads.

Gish Gallop is a debate technique designed to overwhelm, to distract, and fit as many untruths in as possible in such a way it ties up the opponent in fact checking.

Throw in lack of punctuation/ structure etc, and it throws the whole discussion off kilter. So the discussion is not about the subject, but about how it is discussed.

And this is something Reform are good at and do all the time. It is their playbook. Don't talk about policy, talk about how they are looking down at you. Insulting you.

It's a method used by folk with an incomplete ideology who are trying to creating a cult of personality.

Mao was an expert at it. As is Trump.

No I don’t blame you at all. I wouldn’t vote for an MP who ignores my requests for help with something. I was just pointing out that individual MPs (regardless of party) behave differently in terms of effectiveness or willingness to advocate.

This is true and we should welcome foreign students for this and also for the general diversity they bring. But they also used to be able to bring their whole families and them use it as a way to stay. Tories did tighten up in that though.