Page 6 | If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

cmonspring · 09/05/2026 07:21

I find it so depressing that we’re heading towards Trumps America. All of that corruption and hatred towards other races. Lining pockets of the rich and stripping down anything beneficial for everyone who’s not a millionaire. How can anyone think that is a country they want to live in?

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:21

@RedTagAlanordinary folk in the country don’t give a shiny shit about “Gish Gallop” or debating techniques, TBH. They give a shit about the issues affecting their lives. What you’re saying may well be right, and it sure sounds clever, but it also isn’t engaging with the substance of the claims.

27TimesAway · 09/05/2026 07:23

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:18

@MyTriviaum…good for you, I guess?

Jury service is a national issue and one Lammy had been looking to reform. I had thought his office would be interested in a small thing to make it better for people who largely don’t want to be there. But they’re apparently not: that radio silence (and he has an office to answer emails like this) from a Cabinet minister speaks volumes. I just thought: I have a legitimate point here, why won’t you at least engage and work to see what might be done to change it?

He couldn’t he bothered despite having over 3 months to do so. Ain’t no way I’m voting for that.

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I was really impressed by Wes Streeting's response to the arson attack on ambulances in Golders green.

So I wrote to his office just to say how much I appreciated that.

The response I got? A dismissive enquiry if I lived in his constituency and to confirm please.

Nup. I would have thought in the sea of likely abuse the average MP gets that an e-mail expressing thanks would have been welcome.

IsThisEverOkay00 · 09/05/2026 07:24

MsSmartShoes · 09/05/2026 03:21

I would imagine that reading the Daily Mail might be an influencing factor.

This. This is the reason.

10namechangeslater · 09/05/2026 07:25

I genuinely fear for the future of my daughter if Reform win the next general election.

On a local level the roads are awful around here. Reform have not been fixing the potholes.

ThisDandyWriter · 09/05/2026 07:25

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 07:01

What would you rather have? Genuine question.

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Australia’s seems to work well.

MissyMooPoo2 · 09/05/2026 07:26

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 03:35

What a load of rubbish. You clearly don’t even know what our own legislation is, here in the UK.

And why are you unable to use paragraphs? I assume you went to school?

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@MyTriviaand every other poster complaining about the lack of paragraphs - at least the poster avoided name calling and personal slurs. Why can’t YOU manage that?

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:26

27TimesAway · 09/05/2026 07:23

I was really impressed by Wes Streeting's response to the arson attack on ambulances in Golders green.

So I wrote to his office just to say how much I appreciated that.

The response I got? A dismissive enquiry if I lived in his constituency and to confirm please.

Nup. I would have thought in the sea of likely abuse the average MP gets that an e-mail expressing thanks would have been welcome.

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@27TimesAwaydon’t start me on Streeting.

Our son’s consultant wrote to him about the shitshow that is ADHD drug provision on the NHS. Same thing: you don’t live in his constituency, piss off.

YOU ARE THE HEALTH SECRETARY. JFC.

RedTagAlan · 09/05/2026 07:26

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:21

@RedTagAlanordinary folk in the country don’t give a shiny shit about “Gish Gallop” or debating techniques, TBH. They give a shit about the issues affecting their lives. What you’re saying may well be right, and it sure sounds clever, but it also isn’t engaging with the substance of the claims.

What claim to start on ?

Other posters have tackled specific claims. And silence. Instead, like every reform thread, it becomes an insult match.

catspyjamas1 · 09/05/2026 07:26

Lyra25 · 09/05/2026 05:58

This thread is fascinating because it shows exactly why our political situation is in such a state.

Let me start by saying I am a typical floating voter, so have voted labour, Lib Dem and Tory in my life depending on what is going on at the time and the area I lived in.

Those of you who are outraged at Reform voters respond with hatred, ridicule and there is a very superior (the derision at writing style) and aggressive tone.

This kind of thing is exactly what is continuing a divide - not listening to people’s concerns (and to lots of people they are very real concerns), the cause may be up for debate but the issues need addressing nonetheless
As I see it, successive governments have failed to fund infrastructure and have allowed big business to profit from immigration, allowing them to pay low wages and make big profits by topping up low wages with tax credits.

It is said that immigration benefits the economy but for ordinary people the opposite is evident, crumbling and strained services, higher cost of living, particularly housing and so you can see how it is a source of frustration.

I live close to Crowborough and there is real concern for women’s safety. Women and girls in the area were given rape alarms by police. A lot of people are concerned about the cultural differences and the attitudes towards women and girls. It is not right to dismiss those concerns and only increases anger in many.

I could give more examples and I give them as an observation of the issues that are motivating people to vote for Reform, rather than being particularly invested.

People on each side need to listen, without ridicule or immediate dismissal for the country to ever move to more unity.

Well said!

27TimesAway · 09/05/2026 07:27

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:26

@27TimesAwaydon’t start me on Streeting.

Our son’s consultant wrote to him about the shitshow that is ADHD drug provision on the NHS. Same thing: you don’t live in his constituency, piss off.

YOU ARE THE HEALTH SECRETARY. JFC.

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Yeah- I lost respect that day.

I'm sorry. And yes DS1 is on ADHD meds also- I very much feel your pain regarding supply.

ScrimshawMacrahanish · 09/05/2026 07:27

caringcarer · 09/05/2026 02:26

The UK has almost open borders policy. We cannot afford to pay for the people who already live here and yet almost everyday between 100-200 more illegal immigrants come. To process each on cost £12k. They all need accomodation on average costing taxpayer £41k each per year. They need feeding, healthcare, the children need education and elders need care. These people have paid nothing into the UK economy they just want to take. Meanwhile people who have paid into UK econyall their working lives wait over a year for a much needed operation. Our schools are in desperate need of equipment and old buildings upgrading and modernised. We don't have enough houses for people already living here. We need to accommodate those people who have paid into the UK through taxes ffirst. We need to put a freeze on all immigration for a year whilst we sort the country out. Our country can no longer defend itself. Far more budget should go to defence also boosting our economy as our armed forces buy new British made equipment. We don't have the funding for this whilst 25 percent of the country is disabled according to the Disability Alliance using DWP figures for 2024. Disability benefits should be scaled back and those with mild anxiety, depression or ADHD should not get benefits for disability. UC claimants got an above inflationn rise this year in benefits. I think too many people only work 2 or 3 days a week because they think I'll just stay home and claim UC top up rather than working full time. I think if people choose to work part time instead of full time they should not be given UC top ups. The tax payer should not be funding a lifestyle choice. As a nation we need to get more young people in the workplace. UC as an out of work benefit should have an expiry date of 6-12 months. If people don't even apply for jobs they should lose their benefits. We need to build more houses for social housing boosting our economy and the money saved from UC could be used to restock social housing for hardworking families who may be on minimum wage but often working 60 hours a week. At the moment tax is taken away from these hard working people to fund those choosing to only work 2-3 days a week. I think ex service employees who leave the forces should be given more support to find a job and social housing if they need it. I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections but does not recognise rights of immigrants to stay. Especially those already convicted of crimes in their own countries. Honestly they pretend to be gay and persecuted in their own country just so they can stay, yet often have wives and children. Once in the UK having asylum there should be no being allowed to bring across wives, children, parents or siblings. Overseas students should not be able to get money from SLC because so many go back home and never repay this money. If they want to study in UK there own countries should lend them money and get it back after graduation. There are too many EDI people employed at huge expense in public services like the NHS. There is already diversity there.NHS money should go to employing more nurses and doctors, more equipment, to get through waiting lists more quickly. Peywho do not attend appointments should be fined £100 for each missed appointment. If they don't pay the fine on installments if necessary they should go to the bottom of the appointment queue. A missed GP appointment should carry a £50 fine for time wasted. These fines money could fund more NHS dental appointments so every child can have a NHS dentist. Tax bands should start at £15k to encourage more people back into workplace. Stupid tax on farmers should be reversed, as should additional tax on LL's as this tax increase is just passed in to tenants anyway. Nigel won't shy away from making tough decisions.

This sort of mendacious, foolish and just plain wrong diatribe about the UK, written by someone who lives there and has access to the actual data, is why we now live in a very Spanish part of Spain. As far as we can get from obnoxious “Costa” Brits.

The UK is now being driven headlong to disaster by the school bullies and mouthy Bottom-Set-for-everything crowd.

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 07:31

MissyMooPoo2 · 09/05/2026 07:26

@MyTriviaand every other poster complaining about the lack of paragraphs - at least the poster avoided name calling and personal slurs. Why can’t YOU manage that?

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I complain about the lack of paragraphs anywhere because it’s uncomfortable to read. And in this instance it was clearly a tactic from that poster as almost all of their claims are demonstrably false.

Slurs and personal insults will be the least of anyone’s problems under a reform government.

Lyra25 · 09/05/2026 07:31

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 06:10

There is no excuse for voting for Reform. None. They will not benefit anyone and populism is a world wide, nonsensical trend which has way more to do with the rise of social media than anything else. Blaming people who can see through it is a nonsense. We are all responsible for our own choices.

You would think the turkeys that voted for Christmas (Brexit) would have learned from their mistakes but no…

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This is exactly the kind of thing that just polarises.

To be inclusive you have to consider the other’s perspective, not immediately dismiss it. That then opens the door for your views to be received.

You may feel that Reform voters are stupid etc but to ridicule, dismiss and deride is not the way to change the state of the country. Their concerns should be heard and met in an appropriate way.

This kind of behaviour (the dismissal, ridicule etc) will not change the current state of affairs it will only fuel it.

If you would like to see a different political landscape, everyone needs to be listened to and considered.

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:31

@ScrimshawMacrahanish¡Guau! ¡Eres intelectualmente superior! ¡Bien hecho!

SanctusInDistress · 09/05/2026 07:32

caringcarer · 09/05/2026 02:26

The UK has almost open borders policy. We cannot afford to pay for the people who already live here and yet almost everyday between 100-200 more illegal immigrants come. To process each on cost £12k. They all need accomodation on average costing taxpayer £41k each per year. They need feeding, healthcare, the children need education and elders need care. These people have paid nothing into the UK economy they just want to take. Meanwhile people who have paid into UK econyall their working lives wait over a year for a much needed operation. Our schools are in desperate need of equipment and old buildings upgrading and modernised. We don't have enough houses for people already living here. We need to accommodate those people who have paid into the UK through taxes ffirst. We need to put a freeze on all immigration for a year whilst we sort the country out. Our country can no longer defend itself. Far more budget should go to defence also boosting our economy as our armed forces buy new British made equipment. We don't have the funding for this whilst 25 percent of the country is disabled according to the Disability Alliance using DWP figures for 2024. Disability benefits should be scaled back and those with mild anxiety, depression or ADHD should not get benefits for disability. UC claimants got an above inflationn rise this year in benefits. I think too many people only work 2 or 3 days a week because they think I'll just stay home and claim UC top up rather than working full time. I think if people choose to work part time instead of full time they should not be given UC top ups. The tax payer should not be funding a lifestyle choice. As a nation we need to get more young people in the workplace. UC as an out of work benefit should have an expiry date of 6-12 months. If people don't even apply for jobs they should lose their benefits. We need to build more houses for social housing boosting our economy and the money saved from UC could be used to restock social housing for hardworking families who may be on minimum wage but often working 60 hours a week. At the moment tax is taken away from these hard working people to fund those choosing to only work 2-3 days a week. I think ex service employees who leave the forces should be given more support to find a job and social housing if they need it. I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections but does not recognise rights of immigrants to stay. Especially those already convicted of crimes in their own countries. Honestly they pretend to be gay and persecuted in their own country just so they can stay, yet often have wives and children. Once in the UK having asylum there should be no being allowed to bring across wives, children, parents or siblings. Overseas students should not be able to get money from SLC because so many go back home and never repay this money. If they want to study in UK there own countries should lend them money and get it back after graduation. There are too many EDI people employed at huge expense in public services like the NHS. There is already diversity there.NHS money should go to employing more nurses and doctors, more equipment, to get through waiting lists more quickly. Peywho do not attend appointments should be fined £100 for each missed appointment. If they don't pay the fine on installments if necessary they should go to the bottom of the appointment queue. A missed GP appointment should carry a £50 fine for time wasted. These fines money could fund more NHS dental appointments so every child can have a NHS dentist. Tax bands should start at £15k to encourage more people back into workplace. Stupid tax on farmers should be reversed, as should additional tax on LL's as this tax increase is just passed in to tenants anyway. Nigel won't shy away from making tough decisions.

Did you know that before Brexit they could automatically be sent back to France?

did you know that it was the tories who changed the rules to allow more skilled workers from outside Europe to come to the uk because Europeans stopped coming in after Brexit?

MissyMooPoo2 · 09/05/2026 07:32

ScrimshawMacrahanish · 09/05/2026 07:27

This sort of mendacious, foolish and just plain wrong diatribe about the UK, written by someone who lives there and has access to the actual data, is why we now live in a very Spanish part of Spain. As far as we can get from obnoxious “Costa” Brits.

The UK is now being driven headlong to disaster by the school bullies and mouthy Bottom-Set-for-everything crowd.

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And aren’t you just a delight! No reasoned argument whatsoever, just more hate and a fucking massive superiority complex.

pilates · 09/05/2026 07:32

AplineDaisies · 09/05/2026 00:58

I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

Not here to judge but just fancy a bit of beef on a Friday night?

Destiny123 · 09/05/2026 07:33

Callmeback · 09/05/2026 04:10

You do realise this wasn't a general election? It wasn't a vote about national issues. It's a vote for who is best LOCALLY to sort out your pot holes, bin collections etc.

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Local councils have very little say in pot hole fixing. (I went down a rabbit hole trying to determine which party had the best funding for local roads) but its a totally different body in charge

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 07:36

Lyra25 · 09/05/2026 07:31

This is exactly the kind of thing that just polarises.

To be inclusive you have to consider the other’s perspective, not immediately dismiss it. That then opens the door for your views to be received.

You may feel that Reform voters are stupid etc but to ridicule, dismiss and deride is not the way to change the state of the country. Their concerns should be heard and met in an appropriate way.

This kind of behaviour (the dismissal, ridicule etc) will not change the current state of affairs it will only fuel it.

If you would like to see a different political landscape, everyone needs to be listened to and considered.

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How can you address concerns that are factually incorrect about the UK?

The sort of person with those beliefs (based upon those I know) does not want to hear the truth and won’t be swayed by evidence.

AEIOYOU · 09/05/2026 07:39

caringcarer · 09/05/2026 02:26

The UK has almost open borders policy. We cannot afford to pay for the people who already live here and yet almost everyday between 100-200 more illegal immigrants come. To process each on cost £12k. They all need accomodation on average costing taxpayer £41k each per year. They need feeding, healthcare, the children need education and elders need care. These people have paid nothing into the UK economy they just want to take. Meanwhile people who have paid into UK econyall their working lives wait over a year for a much needed operation. Our schools are in desperate need of equipment and old buildings upgrading and modernised. We don't have enough houses for people already living here. We need to accommodate those people who have paid into the UK through taxes ffirst. We need to put a freeze on all immigration for a year whilst we sort the country out. Our country can no longer defend itself. Far more budget should go to defence also boosting our economy as our armed forces buy new British made equipment. We don't have the funding for this whilst 25 percent of the country is disabled according to the Disability Alliance using DWP figures for 2024. Disability benefits should be scaled back and those with mild anxiety, depression or ADHD should not get benefits for disability. UC claimants got an above inflationn rise this year in benefits. I think too many people only work 2 or 3 days a week because they think I'll just stay home and claim UC top up rather than working full time. I think if people choose to work part time instead of full time they should not be given UC top ups. The tax payer should not be funding a lifestyle choice. As a nation we need to get more young people in the workplace. UC as an out of work benefit should have an expiry date of 6-12 months. If people don't even apply for jobs they should lose their benefits. We need to build more houses for social housing boosting our economy and the money saved from UC could be used to restock social housing for hardworking families who may be on minimum wage but often working 60 hours a week. At the moment tax is taken away from these hard working people to fund those choosing to only work 2-3 days a week. I think ex service employees who leave the forces should be given more support to find a job and social housing if they need it. I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections but does not recognise rights of immigrants to stay. Especially those already convicted of crimes in their own countries. Honestly they pretend to be gay and persecuted in their own country just so they can stay, yet often have wives and children. Once in the UK having asylum there should be no being allowed to bring across wives, children, parents or siblings. Overseas students should not be able to get money from SLC because so many go back home and never repay this money. If they want to study in UK there own countries should lend them money and get it back after graduation. There are too many EDI people employed at huge expense in public services like the NHS. There is already diversity there.NHS money should go to employing more nurses and doctors, more equipment, to get through waiting lists more quickly. Peywho do not attend appointments should be fined £100 for each missed appointment. If they don't pay the fine on installments if necessary they should go to the bottom of the appointment queue. A missed GP appointment should carry a £50 fine for time wasted. These fines money could fund more NHS dental appointments so every child can have a NHS dentist. Tax bands should start at £15k to encourage more people back into workplace. Stupid tax on farmers should be reversed, as should additional tax on LL's as this tax increase is just passed in to tenants anyway. Nigel won't shy away from making tough decisions.

This. I don't think I need to add more.

Sleepybear1234 · 09/05/2026 07:40

It's crazy to see the slating people get for trying to answer honestly and for not using paragraphs etc some people aren't good with academics, I know im not. Does that make them a worthless person? People saying they don't care about the equality act etc how can they vote for them if they are women? Well you are clearly not treating other women equally on here as as soon as they try and explain why they voted the patronising starts. All women aren't equal some are unkind and unwilling to listen to anyone that doesn't agree with them.

AEIOYOU · 09/05/2026 07:42

Hallowedturf · 09/05/2026 04:18

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Stunning and brave. 😆

MNLurker1345 · 09/05/2026 07:43

Strawberrydelight78 · 09/05/2026 05:45

Just proves the level of intelligence of reform voters.😂😂😂

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Posts like this do not serve any purpose in the debate. Your post is just an insult and does not show you to be of any intelligence level above those you aim to insult.

The rise of Reform comes from a very complex political situation in the UK. We all hold different opinions and beliefs, this has to be accepted,
whether you like another’s opinions and beliefs or not.

What I am seeing is a quite aggressive, virtuous position from the centre left that results in
anyone that feels and thinks differently being insulted in the same way that a racist might insult someone. Just different words.

How on earth can you judge someone’s intelligence levels based on their political views. But it is not based on their political views is it?
You do it because it is based on your prejudices.

LondonBlueTopaz · 09/05/2026 07:44

Piglet89 · 09/05/2026 07:21

@RedTagAlanordinary folk in the country don’t give a shiny shit about “Gish Gallop” or debating techniques, TBH. They give a shit about the issues affecting their lives. What you’re saying may well be right, and it sure sounds clever, but it also isn’t engaging with the substance of the claims.

Who is and who isn't 'ordinary folk'? This baffles me.