Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

Yes

I mean he was obviously innocent in that case though. There were so many lies by the mother.

The mother said that Michael held them hostage and wouldnt let them leave.

However there was evidence shown that she left and came back to the ranch several times

What interview/video is that in? I don't think I've seen that one

He said that fans had sent them to him and he hadnt seen them.

He said that he gets a huge amount of post and gifts sent to him from fans.

Here's the Aaron carter interview. No mention of tight wedgies 🤷 🙄just more evidence of pressure being placed on young people to lie. Just one example of
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Martin Bashir has gone on record to say the interview was edited in a way to discredit MJ. He also got Arvizo to rest his head on MJs shoulder.

Hadn't seen them but yet he'd personally inscribed one of them.

""Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces, this is the spirit of Boyhood. A life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children"

In a book full of naked boys, is that what he thinks the spirit of boyhood is? boys hanging around naked? He's disgusting.

Its really hard to know! He came to live in Ireland after the sexual assualt trial was over. I was living in Ireland at the time.
He stayed near to where I lived in Ireland. He was a hot topic of conversation at the time. I remember people saying thst he had been through a lot and he came to Ireland for a rest, so people didnt disturb him.
I didnt meet him but I was talking to some people that did meet him. They said that he was absolutey doting, loving father to his children. They said that he was very tired and worn down after the trial.

It's hard to reconcile that someone who could be so loving and caring to his own children - could so terribly abuse other children.

But i know there can be many sides and layers to people and we never truly know what they are like

You'd easily find it if you googled the term.

I think he said he hadnt seen some of them.

Im not sure. Were those books sold in shops at the time? Why were they allowed to be published?

The words "I have slept in a bed with many children" did come out of MJs mouth in the Martin Bashir documentary though

I’ve no idea - I think when there’s so much money involved then nothing can really be trusted, from either ‘side’.

However, whether he molested those boys or not, sharing a bed with them was grossly inappropriate and even if entirely innocent no grown arsed man (or woman!) should be blurring boundaries with children like that.

I’ll never understand the parents involved.

He was mentally damaged for sure. I saw a post online where a psychologist said he had to have been mentally damaged from what he went through.

Michael Jackson worked from the age of 5. He perfomed in nightclubs as a young child.
He was made to rehearse for hours every day, under threat of physical violence. If he made a mistake, his father would beat him. His father also insulted his appearance. That is why michael changed his whole apprearance.

But he'd seen that one and personally inscribed it? It doesn't matter if he didn't see some of them. Anyway, they were found together locked in a filing cabinet in his room. Did a staff member just know he had the other one inscribed in the filing cabinet and then put the other one in there because they were the same kind of content?

I don't know, maybe because there's loads of pedophiles involved in higher up things. So they allow it and then people get to have a legal version of child porn and pass it off as art if anyone asks questions.

So was OJ Simpson 🤷🏻‍♀️ and MJ wasn’t found innocent - he had a good lawyer and it was mostly a case of he said, she said. Difficult to prove in a court of law.

It’s difficult to prove abuse cases. That’s why many women don’t report rape.

I dont know. The whole thing is very sad.

What annoyed me is I was watching a video of Joe Jackson (michaels father).

He said "i didnt beat him, i whipped him".

The interviewer said "Michael said that when he sees you he gets so scared that he vomits sometimes".

Joe said "yeah but he is vomiting all the way to the bank".

Interview says "Michael said that you used to call him big nose".

Joe said "ah i don't remember. If i did, it was in a joking way".

Joe jackson sounds like the typical abuser. He doesnt remember what he did, and he diminishes what happened.

The mother in MJs case did lie though.

She said MJ would not let her leave neverland.

It was shown that she left and came back to neverland many times

Re the inscription. I guess this comes down to perspective. To me his comment suggests innocence. An awful lot of hearsay in this thread

I do wonder whether his children are also victims of abuse.

No way should he have ever been able to have those children. There is an interview where he says that after Paris was born, he took her home all covered in blood. What kind of a father does that? Like the baby is a toy to add to his collection.

He bleached his oldest son’s hair blond from toddler age because he wanted him to look like Macaulay Culkin.

Then there is the time he dangled the baby he called ‘Blanket’ over the side of a balcony.

It’s obvious he was a narcissist and an unfit parent.

The creepy books of nude boys are not things that you would keep in your house if you’d previously been accused of sexually assaulting boys and you were innocent. However they got into your house.

He said in the same interview that he asked the hospital was it ok to take Paris home, and they said yes.

There are some things that are irrefutable, and while they do not prove he molested or abused children, they are pretty difficult to defend as normal behaviour

The fact he essentially lived in a theme park that he invited children to use
He was known and seen to have close friends with young boys, holding hands, taking them as his companion to events etc
And by his own admission had sleepovers with young boys, sometimes sharing a bed
The books containing images of naked children found at his house....

If he actually really truly wasn't a paedo, why the hell would he want to look this much like one!

He says he immediately grabbed her and ran home with her. I think her mother is equally awful too just to be clear. Allowing such a thing, repeatedly like she did is vile - a just born baby shouldn’t be ripped away from its mother.

But she wasnt a conventional mother.

Paris jacksons mother was a surrogate.

She agreed to have the baby for Michael and give him sole custody

I remember watching an interview with a person who had worked with sex offenders and he said that Michael Jackson’s behaviour is indicative of a pedophile who is so driven by their desire to offend that he couldn’t stop what he was doing. Even though it looked dodgy. Whereas an innocent person would distance themselves from it!