Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Fair point. And I suppose Mandelson’s the sort of man who constantly scans for opportunities whoever’s in power. But if Mandelson did push himself forward that would make Starmer’s judgement even worse - he appointed not just a dodgy and disgraced man, but one on the make.

I think so. It’s a cushy job for someone like Mandelson.

Cushy and also one that affords the kind of access to information and policy that makes you very useful to the wrong kind of people.

Very true.

This is a farce. The Independent published the story months ago. And the Indy journalist approached Starmer’s head of comms about it before it was published.

Weren’t Morgan McSweeney and Mandelson close. It all comes back down to jobs for the boys again. This always irritates me in my own small sphere. I always had to go through a competitive process for every job I ever got. I was never just “found” a post. Pat McFadden interviewed on sky seemed to seem to think it was normal for Matthew Cook to be found another job to go to. What world do these people actually live in?

Starmer loves reviews and enquiries.

Somebody has mentioned an MP saying in the commons months ago that Mandelson had failed his vetting. Can anyone post details of that? I’d like to track it down.

Did Emily Thornberry conclude it was right OR should go? Apparently it was ‘everywhere’

I’m surprised at that, I thought she might have had more decency if it’s true

What? Where has this been said?

On another thread. The poster claiming ET said this, I’m dubious but I also don’t watch the news although the radio is usually entirely consistent and I haven’t heard her conclusion along those lines

I’d be amazed if Thornberry is saying that.

Yeh I’m not seeing anything on looking, I think they’ve got it wrong.

I don’t think she said that? She did express surprise to OR in the committee that he hadn’t kept more notes of the various meetings etc. I am not an ET fan by any stretch but I didn’t think her starting position in the Committee was defence of KS or any suggestion that it was right to sack OR

Yeh I agree. I think it was incorrect from the poster.

She did imply she thought he was right to go by saying he don’t keep notes despite there being vetting documents with red boxes checked, and that he made the wrong decision.

think it was on R4 - admit she showed hesitancy and reluctance but it did come over that she thought OR had made mistakes.

It sounds like she doesn’t get the process either. OR didn’t see the red box form.

I saw some chatter on this yesterday. She gave an interview after the hearing apparently that didn't reflect what most people thought had just happened. I haven't seen or heard the interview, but I think it was BBC iirc, I just saw some negative remarks on her pov.
Her bias was clear to me yesterday. I usually quite enjoy her stabs at Starmer, but I thought she was trying to specifically highlight that Robbins couldn't provide written proof yesterday.

Yes, this is the response I saw too.

Also, if you can’t trust people in top jobs to not occasionally have an undocumented meeting about security vetting…that seems a naive criticism.

That’s disappointing. She clearly didn’t understand what he was saying about the red box form v the UKSV information he was given.

He had to repeat what he was told about five times, they couldn’t get it.

Yes at some point there was some sort of implied criticism that a meeting he had held was specifically referenced in his calendar. Like your outlook calendar would say “secret meeting with x to discuss classified material about y”.

I think ET was just focused on Starmer being accused of misleading parliament.
She totally mis-read what OR was actually saying, and not directly saying, which also spoke volumes imo.

Perhaps a little private note: make sure this is not recorded, lol. I have to day OR seemed totally competent to me…

People do get upset not everyone likes Starmer don’t they 😬. So glad to have this thread can just ignore a lot of the other stuff.