Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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He didn’t fold. He said there was pressure but it didn’t change the outcome.

It didn’t change the outcome of the vetting but then there is the “subjective” part of the process where Olly Robbins decided to clear him despite understanding that the vetting was “leaning against”. And then taking the “common sense” view - how could this man ever be considered suitable given what was already known about his past? I think they could have put something in writing at that point. You are appointing this man despite our advice or something more diplomatic!

It was the judgement that the ‘leaning against’ and other word can’t recall could be mitigated. Starmer dangerously misunderstood what he was looking at with that form. The committee and MPs not far off.

OR didn’t get it wrong when he said he couldn’t share UKSV input with him. The outcome of the actual vetting was there for everyone to see. Starmer is so wrong on this but still can’t admit it due to arrogance and stupidity.

The outcome of the actual vetting was there for everyone to see.

It wasn’t. Even Robbins never saw the documentation, he said yesterday his briefing was verbal. He also said he made the decision unilaterally and told nobody, not even his line manager.

This is Labour’s not working not the other thread but

People don’t get the process. Starmer included which is bad.

Not sure if anyone followed the committee when they put out incorrect stuff. The FCDO make the decision, any information that feeds into it is private and used as part of that decision.

OR was clear on this and followed process. He should get his job back but will probably get a big payout as Starmer fucked up.

The line manager stuff was did you tell anyone you were being pressured, he explained why he didn’t need to.

Yes he will definitely get a big pay out as no recognisable employment process was followed in terms of the sacking!

I think it was his commercial “conflicts of interest” that they thought could be mitigated. How on earth do you mitigate that on a day to day basis? The stuff about him giving away state secrets to Epstein later came to light.

I’m sorry @EasternStandard. I posted by mistake not realising it was this thread. I do apologise.

The simple truth is that Starmer wanted Mandelson as ambassador to Washington at all costs. Starmer’s office made that clear to Robbins and the FO. Robbins was left with no real choice but to pass Mandelson’s security status.

When it all went bad with Mandelson Starmer started turning on people to save himself. Robbins is just the most recent panicky and desperate sacking (all the ‘resignations’ were sackings). And Starmer’s supposed outrage and indignation about being kept in the dark is transparently rubbish.

It’s a very, very ugly business. Starmer looks completely unprincipled and cowardly.

It did make me laugh reading that Times article when after Miliband and Lammy and unnamed Labour sources are all critical of Starmer, up pops Reeves, “However, Rachel Reeves warned that a contest for the premiership risked “instability and [a] lack of investment” in Britain.” She really is hopelessly dependent on Starmer, isn’t she.

They are in it up to their necks
Starmer rent boys
Mandy with Epstein
Mathew whomever with kiddie porn
it’s a fucking disgrace the tail or the dick wagging the dog

There’s another release of files soon, although they’re waiting for after the local elections of course.

Tg OR is defending himself. Who will he sack next when the next part comes out

At the end of the day, KS was elected with a thumping great majority. It would be a scandal if the civil service was blocking their political decisions. KS was the master OR the servant. He did his best to mitigate KS choice. It’s all he was empowered to do.

Starmer's reached the bottom and he's still digging.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d423b05147340836

KS won’t because he’s arrogant and bizarrely convinced he’s not wrong but this

A former head of the Civil Service has said Sir Keir Starmer must give Sir Olly Robbins his job back.

Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary from 2018 to 2020, called on the Prime Minister to reappoint the Foreign Office chief after sacking him over the Mandelson vetting scandal.

Mr Sedwill said: “The Prime Minister should retract his accusations against Olly Robbins and reinstate him to the job the country needs him to do.”

Yes that is true. I also think OR could have perhaps done a bit more to cover his own arse (or make more contemporaneous notes which was Emily Thornberry’s point). I wonder whether OR’s predecessor was exited because it was perceived he might be less likely to bend to the will of his political masters?

I don't blame you. Plaid are batshit. The conservatives rarely get their deposit back where I live, but Reform are storming ahead.
I've read some articles about the Sactuary Nation stuff, and Plaid C also want to apply that to trans.
We don't get enough coverage of what's happening in Wales and Scotland so I welcome input from posters living there.

I'm looking forward to pmqs today, that's for sure.

The polling for the Senedd is too close to call, I've seen recent surveys where Reform is just ahead and others in which Plaid is just ahead.

Yes No 10 leapt on the vetting document and KS has used that as his justification for sacking OR but if I have understood “the process” correctly, OR would not have seen that document himself.

Well yes. Its worth remembering that it was Starmer who put Robbins in the FCDO to do his bidding.
It seems it was Barton who insisted on vetting, not No.10.

Good. Starmer picked the wrong fight there.

Yes. And the master should carry the can. Mandelson’s appointment was a political choice of Starmer’s so monumentally stupid and dangerous that there’s only one proper outcome.

I was thinking about the timeline. Mandelson was appointed, the King had been told, the US had received the request for Mandelson and accepted it etc, all by December 2024. So there must have been work going on to put him in place from at least, say, October or November 2024. Starmer was only elected PM in July 2024. Mandelson can’t have pursued a dogged campaign for the job, there wasn’t time. Starmer must have wanted Mandelson from day one.

Starmer’s judgement is so bad it’s a nasty joke.

So they're trying to find yet another scapegoat? Marvelous.

Mandelson can’t have pursued a dogged campaign for the job, there wasn’t time.

He'll have been manoeuvres for the job long before Labour was elected while he was working with Labour Together.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with those Labour MPs who said that Mandelson was given the job as payment for putting Starmer in No.10.

Yeah, I think this is the only logical answer. There was just no need to move Pierce on.