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BillieWiper · 01/05/2026 16:58

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 15:45

That’s very true. I hadn’t heard about her saying before the accident she was epileptic. If that’s true then surely it would be on her medical records?

And yes depending on the date of her last seizure she possibly shouldn’t have been driving. My dad had to be seizure free for a year.

To me the fact she conveniently had a seizure for the first time ever in her life when she caused this catastrophy, makes it sound more like she's lying.

igelkott2026 · 01/05/2026 17:06

crossedlines · 01/05/2026 16:57

This.
we don’t know the facts of the case and it may be that there is no culpability. However, driving a big, heavy Land Rover is going to increase the damage in the event of a crash. Who the hell needs to drive one around Wimbledon ffs? The only people I know who drive them in built up areas are unconfident, poor drivers.

such a shocking event; how awful for the families involved.

In my view whether she had epilepsy or not is the lesser issue here. Even if she was simply not paying attention, she would have just hit the fence in a smaller car.

We really really really need rules about these ridiculous cars - they are not suitable for UK roads (and many European countries don't have suitable roads either so this isn't UK exceptionalism).

TheHillIsMine · 01/05/2026 17:32

I am glad she is being charged. Right firm the start I didn't believe it was an accident. Very convenient her first "epileptic episode."

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 17:44

BillieWiper · 01/05/2026 16:58

To me the fact she conveniently had a seizure for the first time ever in her life when she caused this catastrophy, makes it sound more like she's lying.

Oh I’ve 100% thought that. But goodness knows if it can be proven or not when she has doctors who have diagnosed her with epilepsy.

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 17:52

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 17:44

Oh I’ve 100% thought that. But goodness knows if it can be proven or not when she has doctors who have diagnosed her with epilepsy.

They must think so to charge her with death by dangerous driving

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 17:58

BillieWiper · 01/05/2026 16:58

To me the fact she conveniently had a seizure for the first time ever in her life when she caused this catastrophy, makes it sound more like she's lying.

That is what would cause a crash though. If a driver in control of a vehicle becomes unconscious (be that heart attack or seizures or anything else) the car will be out of control and cause death injury or damage.
It’s the fact that it’s a legitimate story that makes it likely, not a funny coincidence

ScaredButUnavoidable · 01/05/2026 18:02

My brother has his first ever seizure when he was driving. It was completely out of the blue with no history at all of any other seizure activity.

That’s how first seizures present - the person can be absolutely anywhere and doing absolutely anything. Including driving.

He later went on to be diagnosed with epilepsy after investigations began as to what had happened to him.

Thankfully the only person injured was himself but if he was in a public area then he could easily have killed other people.

Just because her first seizure “conveniently” happened when she was driving, that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This could just be a very, very tragic accident.

My brother still doesn’t drive as his team still cant stabilise his despite trying various medication and its stories like this that will probably make him never want to drive again, even if he does go the 12 month seizure-free time period that the DVLA request before returning a licence.

As many posters have said though, about 1 in 20 people have epilepsy…. and they all had to have their “first seizure” somewhere. For some people it’s when they’re at home, for some it’s when they’re in the middle of doing their shopping and for some it’s whilst they’re driving.

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:05

ScaredButUnavoidable · 01/05/2026 18:02

My brother has his first ever seizure when he was driving. It was completely out of the blue with no history at all of any other seizure activity.

That’s how first seizures present - the person can be absolutely anywhere and doing absolutely anything. Including driving.

He later went on to be diagnosed with epilepsy after investigations began as to what had happened to him.

Thankfully the only person injured was himself but if he was in a public area then he could easily have killed other people.

Just because her first seizure “conveniently” happened when she was driving, that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This could just be a very, very tragic accident.

My brother still doesn’t drive as his team still cant stabilise his despite trying various medication and its stories like this that will probably make him never want to drive again, even if he does go the 12 month seizure-free time period that the DVLA request before returning a licence.

As many posters have said though, about 1 in 20 people have epilepsy…. and they all had to have their “first seizure” somewhere. For some people it’s when they’re at home, for some it’s when they’re in the middle of doing their shopping and for some it’s whilst they’re driving.

Spot on.

ShouldIJustKeepQuiet · 01/05/2026 18:06

I’d bet my mortgage that she gets a suspended sentence.

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 18:06

I guess the thing which backs her story up is that it was reported she didn’t brake or try and swerve. If you were conscious and sober why wouldn’t you brake….it would be instinctive. So maybe she did have a seizure. I’m sure the jury will get to hear all the evidence and come to hopefully the correct conclusion.

quocket · 01/05/2026 18:07

ScaredButUnavoidable · 01/05/2026 18:02

My brother has his first ever seizure when he was driving. It was completely out of the blue with no history at all of any other seizure activity.

That’s how first seizures present - the person can be absolutely anywhere and doing absolutely anything. Including driving.

He later went on to be diagnosed with epilepsy after investigations began as to what had happened to him.

Thankfully the only person injured was himself but if he was in a public area then he could easily have killed other people.

Just because her first seizure “conveniently” happened when she was driving, that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This could just be a very, very tragic accident.

My brother still doesn’t drive as his team still cant stabilise his despite trying various medication and its stories like this that will probably make him never want to drive again, even if he does go the 12 month seizure-free time period that the DVLA request before returning a licence.

As many posters have said though, about 1 in 20 people have epilepsy…. and they all had to have their “first seizure” somewhere. For some people it’s when they’re at home, for some it’s when they’re in the middle of doing their shopping and for some it’s whilst they’re driving.

I‘m aure I saw a post on here the other day saying she had previously posted online before this incident that she’d had a seizure?

TestTickle · 01/05/2026 18:09

crossedlines · 01/05/2026 16:57

This.
we don’t know the facts of the case and it may be that there is no culpability. However, driving a big, heavy Land Rover is going to increase the damage in the event of a crash. Who the hell needs to drive one around Wimbledon ffs? The only people I know who drive them in built up areas are unconfident, poor drivers.

such a shocking event; how awful for the families involved.

Exactly. Anyone choosing to drive a hulking great vehicle like that carries some culpability irrespective of the other facts.

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 18:09

quocket · 01/05/2026 18:07

I‘m aure I saw a post on here the other day saying she had previously posted online before this incident that she’d had a seizure?

There was a post that said that. However the woman herself issued a statement saying g she had never had a seizure before.

so possibly the evidence is the woman’s statement was a lie and she knew she was having seizures?

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:10

Some people can have things called TIA’s. They are mini strokes. But will look a bit like a short seizure. The person will not be in control of what they are doing. My late mother had one. She dropped her cup of tea. And slumped a bit. And was completely out of it. For a short time. She had no recollection of it having happened.

There are multiple potential causes of the crash.

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:14

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 18:09

There was a post that said that. However the woman herself issued a statement saying g she had never had a seizure before.

so possibly the evidence is the woman’s statement was a lie and she knew she was having seizures?

Oh well then, if there was a post saying that she said this and that it must be some sort of truth !

StrictlyCoffee · 01/05/2026 18:18

ScaredButUnavoidable · 01/05/2026 18:02

My brother has his first ever seizure when he was driving. It was completely out of the blue with no history at all of any other seizure activity.

That’s how first seizures present - the person can be absolutely anywhere and doing absolutely anything. Including driving.

He later went on to be diagnosed with epilepsy after investigations began as to what had happened to him.

Thankfully the only person injured was himself but if he was in a public area then he could easily have killed other people.

Just because her first seizure “conveniently” happened when she was driving, that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This could just be a very, very tragic accident.

My brother still doesn’t drive as his team still cant stabilise his despite trying various medication and its stories like this that will probably make him never want to drive again, even if he does go the 12 month seizure-free time period that the DVLA request before returning a licence.

As many posters have said though, about 1 in 20 people have epilepsy…. and they all had to have their “first seizure” somewhere. For some people it’s when they’re at home, for some it’s when they’re in the middle of doing their shopping and for some it’s whilst they’re driving.

This, a family member had a seizure in her 40s with no history last year. Thank god she wasn’t driving, although she was unable to drive afterwards, but she fell and was injured.

without commenting on this case, I would think a crash with no evasive action is consistent with a loss of consciousness. There have been cases up here in Scotland where it later came out the drivers had suffered medical events which led to the fatal crashes, and had not disclosed previous similar medical episodes as they didn’t want to lose their licenses.

StrictlyCoffee · 01/05/2026 18:19

Anyway the whole thing is just so sad. Those poor wee girls and their families.

placemats · 01/05/2026 18:21

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:10

Some people can have things called TIA’s. They are mini strokes. But will look a bit like a short seizure. The person will not be in control of what they are doing. My late mother had one. She dropped her cup of tea. And slumped a bit. And was completely out of it. For a short time. She had no recollection of it having happened.

There are multiple potential causes of the crash.

Edited

That's quite a different scenario to what actually took place. Numerous injuries to staff and pupils and the death of two girls.

There's no comparison between the two. How disrespectful of you to post that.

crossedlines · 01/05/2026 18:22

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:05

Spot on.

well said. Epilepsy is horrible: you would not wish it on your worst enemy and of course everyone with this condition has their first seizure somewhere. If it had been a heart attack and the woman had been treated at the scene and revived, I think people wouldn’t be so sceptical. The fact that a seizure can in some cases be less obvious, doesn’t make it any less severe. A seizure could easily make someone temporarily lose consciousness and lose control.

as I said previously, the one thing we do know this women has to take accountability for is that she chose to drive a hulking great heavy vehicle which was capable of causing far more destruction than a car. Why on earth does anyone need to drive something so oversized and overpowered in Wimbledon? Quite aside from this case, we need legislation around this

placemats · 01/05/2026 18:25

ScaredButUnavoidable · 01/05/2026 18:02

My brother has his first ever seizure when he was driving. It was completely out of the blue with no history at all of any other seizure activity.

That’s how first seizures present - the person can be absolutely anywhere and doing absolutely anything. Including driving.

He later went on to be diagnosed with epilepsy after investigations began as to what had happened to him.

Thankfully the only person injured was himself but if he was in a public area then he could easily have killed other people.

Just because her first seizure “conveniently” happened when she was driving, that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This could just be a very, very tragic accident.

My brother still doesn’t drive as his team still cant stabilise his despite trying various medication and its stories like this that will probably make him never want to drive again, even if he does go the 12 month seizure-free time period that the DVLA request before returning a licence.

As many posters have said though, about 1 in 20 people have epilepsy…. and they all had to have their “first seizure” somewhere. For some people it’s when they’re at home, for some it’s when they’re in the middle of doing their shopping and for some it’s whilst they’re driving.

In this case there was the death of two girls and injuries to many others. How is this comparable?

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 18:31

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 17:58

That is what would cause a crash though. If a driver in control of a vehicle becomes unconscious (be that heart attack or seizures or anything else) the car will be out of control and cause death injury or damage.
It’s the fact that it’s a legitimate story that makes it likely, not a funny coincidence

Yes but it’s usually very obvious at the time - this clearly want the case or else why have parents relentlessly persued the truth

the bin lorry driver that killed 6 people having a cardiac arrest at the wheel had this happen - it was immediately obvious colleagues and witnesses confirmed he was slumped over unconcious - as well as medics I’m sure

also you get an auro usually with seizures and the don’t come to light retrospectively

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 18:33

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 18:06

I guess the thing which backs her story up is that it was reported she didn’t brake or try and swerve. If you were conscious and sober why wouldn’t you brake….it would be instinctive. So maybe she did have a seizure. I’m sure the jury will get to hear all the evidence and come to hopefully the correct conclusion.

Why is she the charged with death by dangerous driving???

Netcurtainnelly · 01/05/2026 18:33

This is very sad, I just saw it on the news.

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:33

placemats · 01/05/2026 18:21

That's quite a different scenario to what actually took place. Numerous injuries to staff and pupils and the death of two girls.

There's no comparison between the two. How disrespectful of you to post that.

I am not being disrespectful to point out that there are other potential causes for someone being unconscious at the wheel of a car.

And nobody yet knows why or what actually happened. Or what, if any, diagnosis she may have or what may have occurred.

I have not been disrespectful to point out TIA’s are similar to seizures. It is a fact.

Do not confuse the fact I am doing so with a lack of sentiment and sadness about the death of the children.

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 18:34

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 18:10

Some people can have things called TIA’s. They are mini strokes. But will look a bit like a short seizure. The person will not be in control of what they are doing. My late mother had one. She dropped her cup of tea. And slumped a bit. And was completely out of it. For a short time. She had no recollection of it having happened.

There are multiple potential causes of the crash.

Edited

You can tell if someone an had a TIA through scans

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