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ShouldIJustKeepQuiet · 23/04/2026 18:26

Allisnotlost1 · 23/04/2026 17:09

Interesting. The article mentions the driver having no seizure history but ‘weird episodes’. Guess more will come out in the sentencing remarks. I didn’t check the timing but wonder if this case prompted the review/rearrest.

“Weird episodes linked to epilepsy” is very different compared to someone with no symptoms at all prior to the event which is what we are led to believe is the case with the Wimbledon driver.
I don’t know what sentencing remarks you’re referring to as no one has been charged with any offences as yet. The file has been resubmitted to the CPS for a charging decision.

Itsmetheflamingo · 23/04/2026 18:34

Supersimkin7 · 23/04/2026 17:29

Where’s the racism come into it? We don’t know what race the perp, guilty or innocent, is, or the background of the victims.

It’s unlikely everyone involved is the same race, let alone the policemen, naturally, but I don’t get it.

Bit odd.

Anyway, 16 people is a hell of a lot to get away with. I’m not surprised accusations are flying.

We know what race the victims are (and the accused) the victims are suggesting the police treated them differently due to racial bias. It’s not odd at all

Allisnotlost1 · 23/04/2026 18:49

ShouldIJustKeepQuiet · 23/04/2026 18:26

“Weird episodes linked to epilepsy” is very different compared to someone with no symptoms at all prior to the event which is what we are led to believe is the case with the Wimbledon driver.
I don’t know what sentencing remarks you’re referring to as no one has been charged with any offences as yet. The file has been resubmitted to the CPS for a charging decision.

Maybe reread. It’s obvious that I’m referring to the fact that the information on the Bristol driver is rather different. And even more obvious that I’m referring to the sentencing remarks for the Bristol driver who was convicted.

ShouldIJustKeepQuiet · 23/04/2026 18:55

Allisnotlost1 · 23/04/2026 18:49

Maybe reread. It’s obvious that I’m referring to the fact that the information on the Bristol driver is rather different. And even more obvious that I’m referring to the sentencing remarks for the Bristol driver who was convicted.

Apologies as it wasn’t obvious to me else I wouldn’t have made my comment. Now you’ve clarified I see what you mean. Simple misunderstanding on my part. I stand corrected.

Allisnotlost1 · 23/04/2026 19:48

ShouldIJustKeepQuiet · 23/04/2026 18:55

Apologies as it wasn’t obvious to me else I wouldn’t have made my comment. Now you’ve clarified I see what you mean. Simple misunderstanding on my part. I stand corrected.

No problem 😌

quocket · 01/05/2026 12:07

I saw the bbc break it about 25 mins ago. Was surprised but I imagine her defence will be expensive and impressive

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 12:14

StillSpartacus · 01/05/2026 12:05

It has just been announced that Claire Fremantle is being charged with causing death by dangerous driving.

few details yet, as it’s a breaking story.

Woman charged over Wimbledon school crash that killed two girls

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e651cfae-36d6-44f0-84bf-b6036ebe182c?shareToken=41b7dd3b1ccf95a347955d71bb1f8b41

Unlikely to be much further detail since now significant criminal charges. Let’s see what happens.

JulietteHasAGun · 01/05/2026 12:16

Just seen. I doubt there will be more details until the court case to be honest.

lovealieinortwo · 01/05/2026 12:35

pancakestastelikecrepe · 14/04/2026 22:06

No

It is, hence why a decision was made today

HoldMyWine · 01/05/2026 12:36

This is great news for the families involved.

Kimura · 01/05/2026 13:08

FlorenceAndTheVagine · 14/04/2026 17:21

Claire Freemantle gets every mention of her name removed from the internet. She has deep pockets.

The police also didn't take statements from witnesses, who had some interesting things to say about Claire Freemantle and her behaviour in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

Claire Freemantle gets every mention of her name removed from the internet

She doesn't, because there are countless mentions of her on the internet.

What I'm sure she does do is have potentially false, misleading or defamatory statements relating to her zapped. Unlike the majority of us, she has the resources to do so reasonably effectively.

It's possible she's been granted a super injunction to prevent the publication of her picture. Again, she's in the rare position of having the resources.

Whatever the truth of the matter, it has obviously had, and will continue to have, a life changing impact on her and those close to her. In such a situation, I expect any of us with sufficient resources would take similar steps to minimize that impact.

lovealieinortwo · 01/05/2026 13:09

The DM published her photo the other day.

Kimura · 01/05/2026 13:37

lovealieinortwo · 01/05/2026 13:09

The DM published her photo the other day.

Which could mean any potential super injunction has recently been lifted in light of new developments.

ESMWPip · 01/05/2026 13:40

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:16

Comments are interesting. Some discussion of the parents thoughts. But another comment which says that article was written by AI and the reporter named doesn’t exist.

I read that article and don't trust it at all. Lennox-Gastaut syndrome is a child onset disorder and she would be have motor and cognitive (developmental and intellectual) delay either before first onset in childhood or post first seizure in childhood. It is a severe and progressive disorder. That diagnosis doesn't fit with the rest of the description about her.

carpool · 01/05/2026 14:57

My DH had a seizure a couple of years ago. Thankfully he was at home at the time and not driving a car. He lost his licence for about 18 months altogether (supposed to be 12 months but the admin takes a while). There was never any diagnosis of epilepsy or any reason found (although he is on medication for cancer but his consultant thought it was unlikely to be the reason) so no treatment possible to prevent it happening again. He now has to reapply for his licence every three years but has no other restrictions as long as he doesn't have another one. It is worrying though as there can never be a guarantee that it won't happen again. I do wonder if the rules around this kind of thing need tightening up.

TestTickle · 01/05/2026 15:16

carpool · 01/05/2026 14:57

My DH had a seizure a couple of years ago. Thankfully he was at home at the time and not driving a car. He lost his licence for about 18 months altogether (supposed to be 12 months but the admin takes a while). There was never any diagnosis of epilepsy or any reason found (although he is on medication for cancer but his consultant thought it was unlikely to be the reason) so no treatment possible to prevent it happening again. He now has to reapply for his licence every three years but has no other restrictions as long as he doesn't have another one. It is worrying though as there can never be a guarantee that it won't happen again. I do wonder if the rules around this kind of thing need tightening up.

A good precaution would be for him to drive a smallish car

A major part of the issue here is that she was basically driving a tank

Sympathies for him though, I have a medical licence for other reasons and it is a stressful process

Cazzadd · 01/05/2026 15:28

I think thoughts on the impact to Claire and her family are on hold until the full facts come to light, as they should have done originally with a thorough fair investigation. Did she play the system or is she a victim in this too. Till facts are clear my sympathy remains with the poor families. The whole thing is a shit show..

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 15:32

I haven’t read all the thread. This is going to be a very important case.
Seizures cannot be identified necessarily straight after you have one. Diagnosis takes various tests etc. There are a wide variety of seizure types. And certainly you can have one and not know that you have.

What worries me a bit is the guilty before trial issue. It can impact whether a trial is fair. And people deciding because she is rich that is also a point against her.

It is a key case because if she did have a fit, and is subsequently found guilty of manslaughter etc it may have implications for those who have a heart attack or similar at the wheel and sadly kill people as a result.

It will be an important case.

Pedallleur · 01/05/2026 15:46

Cazzadd · 01/05/2026 15:28

I think thoughts on the impact to Claire and her family are on hold until the full facts come to light, as they should have done originally with a thorough fair investigation. Did she play the system or is she a victim in this too. Till facts are clear my sympathy remains with the poor families. The whole thing is a shit show..

The Guardian reports that the police involved are under investigation for gross misconduct. Court date is 16th June.

ColdinHTK · 01/05/2026 15:52

Monty36 · 01/05/2026 15:32

I haven’t read all the thread. This is going to be a very important case.
Seizures cannot be identified necessarily straight after you have one. Diagnosis takes various tests etc. There are a wide variety of seizure types. And certainly you can have one and not know that you have.

What worries me a bit is the guilty before trial issue. It can impact whether a trial is fair. And people deciding because she is rich that is also a point against her.

It is a key case because if she did have a fit, and is subsequently found guilty of manslaughter etc it may have implications for those who have a heart attack or similar at the wheel and sadly kill people as a result.

It will be an important case.

Edited

There was the bin lorry case in Scotland a few years ago. The driver had a blackout at the wheel, I think he turned out to have heart problems. There were other bin men in the cab to verify he was slumped over the wheel unconscious.
He could not be charged with the deaths of the 6 pedestrians killed because, in Scotland, you cannot be held responsible for something you do when unconscious.

As you say an important case

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 15:55

Not necessarily an important case- she might’ve admitted she lied about the seizure, or a family remember has said she lied. The case could’ve changed significantly

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 16:04

Look up the article on LBC (sorry can't link) - quotes from lawyer saying she will plead not guilty and gives more detail than I'd previously seen around the epilepsy claim and witness accounts.

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 16:54

Cazzadd · 01/05/2026 15:28

I think thoughts on the impact to Claire and her family are on hold until the full facts come to light, as they should have done originally with a thorough fair investigation. Did she play the system or is she a victim in this too. Till facts are clear my sympathy remains with the poor families. The whole thing is a shit show..

She’s been charged with dangerous driving causing death so I’m not on hold about her NOT being a victim

if she was so innocent the parents would not have persued this to get the truth - they obviously knew some stuff that didn’t match her made up bought story

crossedlines · 01/05/2026 16:57

TestTickle · 01/05/2026 15:16

A good precaution would be for him to drive a smallish car

A major part of the issue here is that she was basically driving a tank

Sympathies for him though, I have a medical licence for other reasons and it is a stressful process

This.
we don’t know the facts of the case and it may be that there is no culpability. However, driving a big, heavy Land Rover is going to increase the damage in the event of a crash. Who the hell needs to drive one around Wimbledon ffs? The only people I know who drive them in built up areas are unconfident, poor drivers.

such a shocking event; how awful for the families involved.