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logicisall · 11/04/2026 15:59

The video that follows this one is hilarious!

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 15:59

Talkinpeace · 11/04/2026 15:50

Precisely

Then again Labour are still sitting on the EHRC guidance
and have not managed to get us back into Europe !

I don't really care much about the EHRC nonsense. My stance is if you need guidance to obey the law then you've failed in making laws. Which doesn't reflect well on the only body allowed to make laws in the UK.

As for the EU ... well I would remind anyone in the UK that rejoining is not in the gift of any UK parliament. And as things stand, the EU would definitely use any urgency on the UKs part to extract unpalatable demands. Starting with dumping sterling. And even if France were not involved, there is no way the UK media are mature enough to countenance the contempt and disdain from "our European partners" as we crawl back to them, hoping that "Je te l'avais dit..." doesn't mean what they think it does.

For now, CU/SM action is all we can hope for - and should be grateful for that.

Talkinpeace · 11/04/2026 16:01

placemats · 11/04/2026 15:56

The Green Party and Reform won't be getting us back into Europe - NATO and ECHR respectively.

The Green Party print leaflets in Urdu saying one set of policies and in English saying a contradictory set. Their hypocricy is unbounded.

Reform are the swivel eyed wing of the Tory pary.

I have been politically homeless since Brexit and remain that way.

Interested in this thread?

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RedTagAlan · 11/04/2026 16:02

Harris :

"She added: "I've been traveling in the country the last year, I've been spending a lot of time in the South and many other places. And the one thing I'm really clear about also is, the status quo is not working, and hasn't been working for a lot of people for a long time." "

Source :

Kamala Harris says she might run for president in 2028: "I'm thinking about it" - CBS News

Oh dear oh dear. She RAN as the status quo candidate, The lack of self awareness is just shocking.

Kamala Harris says she might run for president in 2028: "I'm thinking about it"

Former Vice President Kamala Harris said that she might run for president in 2028, telling a gathering in New York that she is considering mounting a third bid for the White House.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-2028-president-national-action-network/

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 16:03

placemats · 11/04/2026 15:56

The Green Party and Reform won't be getting us back into Europe - NATO and ECHR respectively.

It amuses me how when you don't like parties, then all the shit legislation they may pass is treated as gospel and going to happen.

When it's parties you like it's all "Oh they'll change that" or "that won't happen".

In my over-long life, the only 2 times I can really say an election delivered even a 1/10th of it's promise were 1979 and 1997. Beyond that it really is case of "Difference ? What difference ?" (to paraphrase a certain J. Callaghan)

logicisall · 11/04/2026 16:21

My contact in Kuwait says that they're under attack now and the building they're in shook under the latest blasts as they were very close.

I now think this peace negotiation is not genuine, but to give time for US troops to arrive. In the meantime Iran will be using up its stocks of missiles and drones attacking GCC in retaliation for Lebanon attacks.
There will be no real peace deal (because Lebanon red line ) and Trump and Kegsbreath will 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH.
Alternatively, there might be a peace deal of sorts, but the US will find some reason to accuse Iran of breaking it, and will then 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH by force.

Apologies for being so pessimistic. It's a shitshow everywhere I look now.

MushMonster · 11/04/2026 16:27

misscockerspaniel · 11/04/2026 15:09

Orban has the support of Trump and Putin. Peter Magyar, leader of the opposition and currently holding a significant lead over Orban in the polls, is pro-European.

Vance had the hard neck of accusing the EU of foreign interference in the Hungarian elections LOL.
Let's see who wins. I am afraid drama will follow if it is not Orbán. In a similar way to the 6th of Jan. I would not be surprised if he questions the polls and election's results. One day to go!

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 16:29

logicisall · 11/04/2026 16:21

My contact in Kuwait says that they're under attack now and the building they're in shook under the latest blasts as they were very close.

I now think this peace negotiation is not genuine, but to give time for US troops to arrive. In the meantime Iran will be using up its stocks of missiles and drones attacking GCC in retaliation for Lebanon attacks.
There will be no real peace deal (because Lebanon red line ) and Trump and Kegsbreath will 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH.
Alternatively, there might be a peace deal of sorts, but the US will find some reason to accuse Iran of breaking it, and will then 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH by force.

Apologies for being so pessimistic. It's a shitshow everywhere I look now.

Well if anything less shot happens, it will cheer us up.

I have no reason to believe the Iranians are as stupid as the US have demonstrably been. I can't see any reason why their primary goal at the moment is to ensure they emerge as a power at the negotiating table. Which is most assuredly what Trump (& co) will never allow. However, we now know Trump has nothing left but bluster. Sure, he can still do a lot of damage and hurt. But he cannot prevail.

However, we aren't looking at the problem anyway. The problem is - and may always have been - Israel.

It probably hasn't dawned on Trump that having got him into the Whitehouse, his "allies" have much less need for him.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 16:31

MushMonster · 11/04/2026 16:27

Vance had the hard neck of accusing the EU of foreign interference in the Hungarian elections LOL.
Let's see who wins. I am afraid drama will follow if it is not Orbán. In a similar way to the 6th of Jan. I would not be surprised if he questions the polls and election's results. One day to go!

It's not "cheek". It's the Putin playbook (translated from the German into Russian). Accuse your opponents of doing precisely what you intend to do.

RedTagAlan · 11/04/2026 16:41

logicisall · 11/04/2026 16:21

My contact in Kuwait says that they're under attack now and the building they're in shook under the latest blasts as they were very close.

I now think this peace negotiation is not genuine, but to give time for US troops to arrive. In the meantime Iran will be using up its stocks of missiles and drones attacking GCC in retaliation for Lebanon attacks.
There will be no real peace deal (because Lebanon red line ) and Trump and Kegsbreath will 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH.
Alternatively, there might be a peace deal of sorts, but the US will find some reason to accuse Iran of breaking it, and will then 'reign' hell on Iran and take the SoH by force.

Apologies for being so pessimistic. It's a shitshow everywhere I look now.

Agree.

I get it that Iran is still firing because Lebanon is still being pounded, but what surprise's me is that Iran is still firing rather than conserve for what is coming They must have shitloads of munitions.

Unless it's a ploy to make the US Generals think they have loads of stuff when they don't? That would also make sense.

From my armchair however, I think the evidence points to them not only having lots of stuff left, but also manufacturing to replace, and a supply chain. CNN has a report that China are sending anti-aircraft stinger type manpads. And there is a route. Into Russia, then direct to Iran via the Caspian. They can put them into the same ships that carries the drones that Russia make.

Thoughts with your contacts in Kuwait.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 16:45

RedTagAlan · 11/04/2026 16:41

Agree.

I get it that Iran is still firing because Lebanon is still being pounded, but what surprise's me is that Iran is still firing rather than conserve for what is coming They must have shitloads of munitions.

Unless it's a ploy to make the US Generals think they have loads of stuff when they don't? That would also make sense.

From my armchair however, I think the evidence points to them not only having lots of stuff left, but also manufacturing to replace, and a supply chain. CNN has a report that China are sending anti-aircraft stinger type manpads. And there is a route. Into Russia, then direct to Iran via the Caspian. They can put them into the same ships that carries the drones that Russia make.

Thoughts with your contacts in Kuwait.

It's almost as if the US slipped up planning this.

logicisall · 11/04/2026 17:00

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Llttledrummergirls · 11/04/2026 17:01

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 16:45

It's almost as if the US slipped up planning this.

They put planning into this shit show?

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 17:06

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Well now you are going to trip the "antisemitism" alarm that ensures debate ceases and shouting starts.

"Israel" hasn't existed as a place for well over 2 millennia. There is a book about it somewhere.

Beyond that it's far too deep for this forum, time of day, or audience.

I'm quite happy in saying that my general grasp of history and geography and politics is well into the <5% of the publics level. And I would run a mile before even speaking that question out loud.

Terrribletwos · 11/04/2026 17:10

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That's a bit daft and inflammatory!

Whats the point in this stupid question?

It doesn't solve anything or even create any possible answer.

RedTagAlan · 11/04/2026 17:19

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Quote :"What is the definition of a State"

Trump is a state. A right fucking state.

placemats · 11/04/2026 17:20

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State or country?

Countries within Europe have changed within my lifetime.

Born in Northern Ireland, island of Ireland, within the UK. Both sets of Grandparents and parents were born before independence. Although we're all Irish now following the Good Friday Agreement, which celebrated 28 years yesterday.

So I'm UK and Irish Nationality and the UK and Ireland kept out of Schengen to preserve the common area agreement.

JoshLymanSwagger · 11/04/2026 17:22

DH thought he was going to try to take it into the plane Grin
I hope the guy that closed it then launched it at him like a big dart.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 17:23

Terrribletwos · 11/04/2026 17:10

That's a bit daft and inflammatory!

Whats the point in this stupid question?

It doesn't solve anything or even create any possible answer.

There is no such a thing as a stupid question.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 17:28

placemats · 11/04/2026 17:20

State or country?

Countries within Europe have changed within my lifetime.

Born in Northern Ireland, island of Ireland, within the UK. Both sets of Grandparents and parents were born before independence. Although we're all Irish now following the Good Friday Agreement, which celebrated 28 years yesterday.

So I'm UK and Irish Nationality and the UK and Ireland kept out of Schengen to preserve the common area agreement.

The UK is probably either a paradigm of country/state and geography, or best avoided at all costs.

And you can never tell which from day to day 😀

RedTagAlan · 11/04/2026 17:29

placemats · 11/04/2026 17:20

State or country?

Countries within Europe have changed within my lifetime.

Born in Northern Ireland, island of Ireland, within the UK. Both sets of Grandparents and parents were born before independence. Although we're all Irish now following the Good Friday Agreement, which celebrated 28 years yesterday.

So I'm UK and Irish Nationality and the UK and Ireland kept out of Schengen to preserve the common area agreement.

State or country.

Sun Yat-sen had interesting thoughts on this. In the west they are separate things. But not so in many eastern.... erm... nations. I have no idea about Iran, but I suspect state and country are one. It suits authoritarians I think.

It makes my head spin. As a westerner I sort of just grasp the concept of them being the same, but puff and it's gone.

I am sure Trump works on the idea they are a combined thing, and that he owns the US, that he is the US.

Terrribletwos · 11/04/2026 17:30

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 17:23

There is no such a thing as a stupid question.

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Well, I suppose so. But, in my opinion, that was a stupid question and what's the point of it? We are where we are now and it's a bit daft to ask about "what if there was no Isreal". Why? If he/she is just trying to look at the history, why not posit that instead.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2026 17:34

Terrribletwos · 11/04/2026 17:30

Well, I suppose so. But, in my opinion, that was a stupid question and what's the point of it? We are where we are now and it's a bit daft to ask about "what if there was no Isreal". Why? If he/she is just trying to look at the history, why not posit that instead.

I'm wary of people who dismiss questions without an answer. It's usually indicative of a rigged argument or a desire to avoid logical scrutiny.

Remember "Blackadder Goes Forth" ? Where the "stupid question" was

Why can't we just stop, Sir? Why can't we just say, "No more killing; let's all go home"? Why would it be stupid just to pack it in, Sir, why?

"The simplest fool may ask a question the wisest person cannot answer"

logicisall · 11/04/2026 17:43

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logicisall · 11/04/2026 17:44

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