Depraved, Desperate, Deluded and Dangerous - Trump Thread #160

[Spandauer]

More of the same. 🤬

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5510944-the-king-of-crazytown-cant-control-the-chaos-trump-thread-159

I'm guessing he's never ever read the North Atlantic Treaty... it's not a long read and the fact it's a defensive alliance is made clear in the preliminary statement prior to Article 1...

"They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :

I don’t regard Trump voters as generally unintelligent. One of the surprising things about his second win was the number of thinking people who were engaged with politics that actually voted for him despite the evidence of his unfitness for office.

Nor do I consider Brexit voters to be generally unintelligent but can see how easy it was to manipulate people who were fed up with the status quo and for whom
it was easy to lay the blame for the country’s ills squarely at the foot of immigration.

That said, you can hardly compare the Brexit voter with the second term Trump voter who had evidence laid out in front of them
of why he should have never been near office.

I suppose the question is, how many of those Brexiteers still hang on to the words of that other great charlatan, the one here who gives not a jot about the people of this country and is only in the game for himself.

hi @walllaw, do you mind if I don't answer here so as not to derail the thread?

I could pm you?

@Maggiethecat

Fair and good points!

Trumps ceasefire lasted about as long as he did with Stormy.

Thank you for this.

Some posters treat us as if we were all MAGA and happily voted for Scrotus.

The actual truth is that BOTH of his elections was a combination of voter apathy and the mindset of "I don't like Hilary/Kamala so I'm NOT voting at all!" on the part of the more liberal electorate combined with the electoral college system.

So it's not that 'the American People are all alike' (as some posters think ) and voted for Scrotus, it's that not enough people voted against him. And yes, many of us were shouting "Not voting is a vote for him!", but not enough listened. And remember, the mindset of "I'm not voting because I don't like X" can happen anywhere, even in the UK. The lucky thing is that the UK has 'vote of no confidence'. If we had that, I'm convinced that Scrotus would be gone.

If it had been a popular vote system, Hilary would have won in 2016. And in 2024 if the Dem party had gotten their shit together much earlier than they did and selected a different candidate then it's possible that that candidate would have won. I'm not saying Joe wasn't up to the top job in 2024, but it was time to go in a new direction and the candidate with that new direction needed much more time than Kamala had to gather support.

Just wait till it is President Newsom and Prime Minister Farage :-)

Bring on President Newsom! There are Dems I like better, but he'll definitely do, he's a smart cookie.

The likelihood Viktor Orbán winning Hungary's upcoming parliamentary election has dropped since U.S. Vice President JD Vance made a speech endorsing him, according to the latest betting odds.

😂

But I bet the odds of him refusing to accept the result have gone up

Sure, no problem. But I think it's part of the larger overall discussion that most on here would be happy to be a part of - perceptions of how we ended up here

It matters not whether anyone thinks Americans are all alike or all MAGA. Nor whether all Brits are Brexiteers.

We have the current outcomes because of peoples’ choices of for whom to vote or to not vote at all.

Collectively we made a choice and that’s how we’ll all be judged.

What is perhaps more alarming in the US case is that all normal presidential behaviour and restraint has been discarded by this president and certainly there must be concerns about his sanity but no one is able to do anything about it.

The lofty constitution is looking like a comic book because everyone is afraid of I’m not sure what.

So perhaps you’ll forgive the feeling of upset toward the American people collectively as they sit and watch the president, in the words of Mitch McConnell, burn the entire house down.

I keep coming back to Russia’s involvement in all of this. They’ve been planning this for a looooong time.

Yep. Putin definitely plays the very long game.

No one was happier than Putin when his useful fool was returned to the WH.

I would say other than the useful fool, but I think he was more taken aback than happy until he realised how much money he could make off of it this time around.

Amen!!!

Exclusive: Iran war doubles Russia's main oil revenue to $9 bln in April, Reuters calculations show

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-war-doubles-russias-main-oil-revenue-9-bln-april-reuters-calculations-show-2026-04-09/

Newsom has done a damn fine job for us here in CA. I'd have no problem with him in the top job.

Farage? Not so much.

But then, I probably wouldn't mention the two of them in the same breath. That would be a definite case of apples and a crate of mouldy oranges.

Of course DT doesn’t realise he’s a laughing stock because he thinks he has the last laugh.

It’s painful and embarrassing to see and hear his advisors chuckle obsequiously at his inane and ridiculous statements.

Does that mean another Putin connected fella will be buying a property off Trump at vastly over market rate ?

We are NOT all 'sitting and watching'. There are widespread protests going on and calls from many quarters to invoke the 25th. What else would you have us do? Storm the Capitol a la Jan 6? Hire ninjas to take him out? Spike his Diet Coke with Rohypnol?

You're right in that there is nothing we can directly do to get him out of office. So we're doing what we can.

Oh, LOL, I love that one! The Vance effect! LOL.
Maybe Farage will not have him "helping" during his future campaign.

By the way.... Trump was so enraged about some Labour members taking part in the US campaign, and now... the Vicepresident of US is ok to "bump" another country part's campaign? When Trump protested about the Labour ones, who did not include any Minister, Chancellor or high rank? Double standard much...

Uncle Xi was right behind him.

And though it is early days yet, it is possible Iran was not too upset either. Nor Kim. I mean Trump has ripped a lot of defences out of South Korea, and used up all the ammo.

Get you behind me tin foil hat. NO, it was not a conspiracy to sow discord among the US electorate. NO tin foil hat. Back in your drawer. It's not Friday.

Oh wait. It his Friday.

I think more protests are planned for May Day?

And ofcourse there are smaller local protests daily, especially against ICE