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Tumps exact words today!

WTAF? That sounds like he is about to drop a Nuke!

How the hell has the world got here?

Trumps truth social posts sounds more like something that a dramatic gleeful tv presenter would say in a game show. Not something a world leader threatening to blow up an entire civilisation.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

ImGoingtoSayitButyouWontBelieveme · Today 19:55
About 10 years ago I had a vivid vision of a nuclear attack, it happened in the midst of a western looking city. As a ‘witness’ at ground level it was like sudden blinding white fire and light all around, followed by a blast of huge magnitude it levelled the whole city instantly. A few years after I heard another (imo reliable) person of faith who had the same vision. I didn’t know which city it was in mine, but this other person saw nuclear attacks against the US (multiple strikes), as they had a view from above and saw the whole country. I shared this on a thread last year, but (as my username suggests) am fully aware it will just be discounted as nonsense. I was honestly hoping it wouldn’t happen but with the way the world is going it seems more probable than ever.
Not that anyone will be interested as MN is generally anti faith, but there are so many young children having visions right now, of end times events and what state the world will be in. A few accounts described the earth looking totally blackened/ scorched, no trees or animals, like severe fire damage.

Your wording suggests that you regard this as a divine vision. What evidence do you have for that conclusion, other than faith? And who is this 'imo reliable person' who had the vision? Just one? Lots of people? Who had just watched some documentary or shockhorror movie? What's their background?
Who are these "so many young people having visions"? Please provide evidence, unless of course a few million young people have reported to you personally. This sort of conclusion makes me really cross...you may have read of a few who are probably affected by what they've seen in movies and applied it to scripture which mentions precisely that, young men seeing visions, as part of the end time. Ergo...

@ImGoingtoSayitButyouWontBelieveme when I started to read your post I had visions of scenes from Terminator 2 & Threads.
One person's 'vision' is another person's imagination, and the power of suggestion is very real.
Many children will have read books - remember Z for Zachariah? - & seen images of nuclear blasts, war zones on the news etc.
Most of us adults will have such stories & images logged in our brains, add in the ever-present sense of background fear & threat and it doesn't take much imagination to envisage a scorched earth.

S of H closed again?

No mention of the Epstein files ? Best distraction yet. He has been compromised and blackmailed both Russia and Israel - trying to please both sides
feeling for the loss of innocent lives Iran and Lebanon.

Omg the Iranian diplomatic on sky now!
The cheek of him " we are sad because due to some things we are loosing the trust and confidence ".

Just stop being evil shits you wicked nasty bastards.

Apparently starmer is getting a slightly cooler reception in the middle east with questions over 200 million pounds worth of iranian property in London. No proscribing the irg as a terror organisation ,the one boat being useless and so on.

Pakistan, which was an active participant in negotiating the ceasefire, seemed to have believed the ceasefire would include Lebanon and the USA's allies judging by this tweet

"With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY."

It seems that either Netanyahu wasn't consulted or chose to use the opportunity to hit Lebanon/Hezbollah when they had their guard down.

Trump is an idiot with far too much power and
the MAGA brigade have a lot of blood on their hands for allowing him to take the reins.
I really feel the USA needs to stop old men becoming president. They don’t have much time left on this earth in the scheme of it and seem to have no worries about what happens after they’re gone.

Honestly between Him, Putin and the family heralding power over N Korea, the world is a scary place without Trump deciding to start a war and then get stroppy when we don’t back him.

US planes are still using Prestwick Airport. but then, they have been using it since forever.

Listening to a speech of Trump’s today, he is suggesting that the USA & Iran will jointly charge a tariff for ships wishing to use the strait. He just sees it as another money making scheme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0nc8tq4?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Ive heard that some folk had visions / dreams about seas of blood around the coast of europe in the months before WW1 (or may have been WW2 I cannot recall). I remember reading of this. Kids had visions before Aberfan Wales disaster. So I believe it does happen.

Half Iranian here, I don't support this war despite not supporting the regime. I've spoken to Iranian family members in the country recently who just want this war to end. Even prior to the war their opinion was that change was best effected from within rather than instigated through foreign interventions and war.

You can advance search me for my full opinion, I stated it upstream and don't have the patience to type it all out again.

You can hate your government without wanting your country to be destroyed by foreigners. Human rights offences conducted by the Iranian government doesn't de facto lend itself to Iranian support for their country to be bombed by a foreign entity that got them in this position in the first place (read up on Mossadegh, Shah Pahlavi, how Khomeini came to power - TL;DR it was American and British interventionism that put these fanatics in power in the first place...and you expect Iranians to trust USA decision making after all that and what they've done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya? Wake up!)

I don't want the freedom that the USA sells. My Iranian family don't want that freedom either. It stinks of bombs, death and corruption. Human rights is a weapon that western powers like the USA use at their convenience to batter other countries with so they can keep them underdeveloped, underarmed, and subservient to the USA.

Don't forget that the USA currently has concentration camps full of ICE detainees, where there is contaminated food and water and where children have been sexually assaulted. People have been killed on the streets of the USA for protesting, ICE detainees have died in prisons. And yet I don't hear of any country worldwide proposing to go wage war against the USA for their human rights abuses?

The only reason human rights is ever brought up in these threads is to deal with the cognitive dissonance of a supposed "good guy" (I.e. USA) doing "bad things". As numerous specialists and experts noted, Iran did not pose an imminent threat. It was at the negotiating table. External parties said the negotiations were looking promising and that Iran was willing to make concessions. If Trump cared about human rights why weren't they a part of any negotiations in 2026, either pre or post the outbreak of war?

Trump is not some Messianic liberator of Iranian people, he only seeks to serve his own interests. I'm afraid it is you who needs to see the bigger picture, not me.

Trump tells so many lies that nobody can believe a word he says. He continuously makes out that he’s the winner in every situation. . Lies. Lies. Lies.

@AgingLikeGazpacho interesting. How do you think the Iranians will be able to overthrow the regime or do it from within.

On news tonight apparntly there has been an internet black out and no phones or something for a month ? The regime doesn't want people to communicate .

You said you don't like the idea of freedom that the USA sells..so what sort of government do you see

Wooky073 · Today 22:10
pollyglot · Today 20:41
ImGoingtoSayitButyouWontBelieveme · Today 19:55
About 10 years ago I had a vivid vision of a nuclear attack, it happened in the midst of a western looking city. As a ‘witness’ at ground level it was like sudden blinding white fire and light all around, followed by a blast of huge magnitude it levelled the whole city instantly. A few years after I heard another (imo reliable) person of faith who had the same vision. I didn’t know which city it was in mine, but this other person saw nuclear attacks against the US (multiple strikes), as they had a view from above and saw the whole country. I shared this on a thread last year, but (as my username suggests) am fully aware it will just be discounted as nonsense. I was honestly hoping it wouldn’t happen but with the way the world is going it seems more probable than ever.
Not that anyone will be interested as MN is generally anti faith, but there are so many young children having visions right now, of end times events and what state the world will be in. A few accounts described the earth looking totally blackened/ scorched, no trees or animals, like severe fire damage.

Your wording suggests that you regard this as a divine vision. What evidence do you have for that conclusion, other than faith? And who is this 'imo reliable person' who had the vision? Just one? Lots of people? Who had just watched some documentary or shockhorror movie? What's their background?
Who are these "so many young people having visions"? Please provide evidence, unless of course a few million young people have reported to you personally. This sort of conclusion makes me really cross...you may have read of a few who are probably affected by what they've seen in movies and applied it to scripture which mentions precisely that, young men seeing visions, as part of the end time. Ergo...

Wooky073 · Today 22:10
Ive heard that some folk had visions / dreams about seas of blood around the coast of europe in the months before WW1 (or may have been WW2 I cannot recall). I remember reading of this. Kids had visions before Aberfan Wales disaster. So I believe it does happen.

"I've heard that some folk..." does not constitute evidence. Specially when you "cannot recall" when it actually occured. Who are the" kids who had visions before Aberfan"? Did they declare these visions before the event? Or was it the product of extreme trauma afterwards?
So tell me, if both DH and I both announce that we witnessed a herd of unicorns flying over our chicken run, backed up by our neighbour, would you accept that as truth?

The thing that concerns me is that when you take Trump out of the situation you still have a sizable right wing MAGA population who voted him in and would vote in another like him again in the future. Even without Trump there is JD Vance, Rubio, Hegseth and others who hold similar world views to Trump.

The checks and balances clearly do not work. Trump fired a load of experienced generals just before his genocidal threat to Iran. Congress is being ignored the courts are slow and have limited powers it seems, and Trump appears to be above the law and controlling the media. The Trump administration gets away with doing what ever they feel like doing without facing any challenge or consequence. It seems that the elite super rich are out for themselves as is the Trump family who are profiting hugely from the chaos he creates. There is no accountability. Self interest comes before national interest. Nato is now dead in the water. The whole USA system not just Trump is dangerous. We are tied to them but we need to extract ourselves - they have made it clear that they have no respect for us and would not come to our aid in the future. We are very isolated currently due to Brexit and the craziness of America. We probably need to rejoin Europe for our own security if nothing else.

They are not. But the word has been bandied around relentlessly that people have just accepted this now.
They have most likely committed war crimes yes. Most engaging in war do - in fact all do at some point.
Genocide is very specific, and a lot has to do with 'intent'.
Some 'genocide scholars' writing a letter or a committee within the UN saying it is, doesn't mean it is.

The man is an absolute cockwomble. TBH I'm surprised he hasn't been taken out. I'm just glad Starmer has stayed out of it. If Trump had annihilated Iran, that would be a war crime and he should go to prison for it, for a very long time. I don't think this is the end though, Israel are still bombing Lebanon so watch this space. Worrying times indeed.

Regarding the blackout, Iranians can communicate with extreme difficulty and risk via numerous avenues including VPN, Starlink and even Bluetooth. It is extremely costly but it is possible.

What is underdiscussed is the amount of progress Iranian people were actually able to achieve over the past 30 years (I'm only going back that far because this is what I have personally been able to witness). Protests from within the country were actually able to effect change to women's rights and individual liberties. One very trivial (but symbolic) example of this is dress code - women have been able to win rights to wear make up, show hair, show forearms etc. As I said it is trivial, but it's a massive win for a population where women used to have their hair set alight for having it uncovered (in 1979 and the early 1980s).

Believe it or not, the heads of state that Trump recently assassinated were not the most extreme hardliners that Iran had to offer. I really believe that if the war hadn't happened, then there would have been appetite within Iran to continue electing less extreme leaders and get to a point where a true democracy could be attainable through successive, iterative and progressive changes. But now Iran has been replacing these assassinated figureheads with more extreme figures (e g. Mojtaba Khamenei rather than Hossein Khomeini).

Ali Khamenei was an old man, there was no need to kill him, turn him into a martyr and increase appetite for his son to take over. Hossein Khomeini was more of a reformist Republican who was more likely to back an easing of restrictions on the Iranian people.

Revolutions are unpredictable things, most Iranians have unfortunately witnessed this for themselves. They only work in the general population's favour if there is a strong and viable alternative on offer, and there simply isn't one at this point. I think the most likely winner if the Mullahs fell would be the army/IRGC (bear in mind the last Pahlavi monarchy was established through a military coup)

My ideal government would be a fully secular proportional representative democracy. It won't happen anytime soon though.

I'd like to note that there are other countries in the Middle East that aren't democracies where everyday life is more than tolerable (e.g. the UAE) albeit not completely free. This would be an improvement on the current Iranian situation and a welcome interim state.

My main hope though is that whatever future Iran holds, that is allowed to peacefully act in its own interests - it has previously been punished for daring to nationalise its own oil (1953 and 1979l and for arming itself in order to secure its own defence (largely talking about non nuclear arms here). I genuinely feel like the USA and the UK are threatened by the prospect of Iran daring to thrive so they are doing everything in their power to keep it as a 3rd world country.

It is a country rich in resources, heritage, intellectuals, beauty, amazing food, hospitable people and every imaginable terrain. It would be a prime tourist destination if its borders were open. Even under sanctions it has thrived as a scientific hub. I wish more people could visit it themselves and see what it's really like rather than just through news bites of women in black cloaks, religious fundamentalists, human rights abuses and protests. It is so much more than that.

Ah can't edit but I meant Hassan Khomeini here - whilst Hossein Khomeini is even more liberal he would not have been a likely candidate for supreme leader, whereas Hassan was a genuine consideration

100%!

Or assassinated!

Exactly this.

Neither Twitter or Threads can be trusted. Absolutely rife with Bot accounts.

Hi, yeah I understand where you are coming from and totally get what ppl mean about the Terminator 2 likeness, definitely the force of the blast put me in mind of that. I can’t prove it’s true but I personally do believe it to be so. I haven’t even told Christian friends of ours as what am I supposed to say?! (Hey Jane, great to see you, by the way I’ve been given a vision of the nuclear war that appears to be near future (based on the modern architecture of the buildings), how are the kids doing?..)
I’m sorry I can’t give evidence but I am being honest in what I shared, I wouldn’t joke about things like this, that would be cruel and pointless.
It was a waking vision, very first hand and ‘in body’ (not asleep). My reason to believe is based on a lifetime’s personal walk of faith and many things God has shown me and spoken to me about over the years, I trust what He’s shown me. For example He warned me about a family member in imminent danger and only due to this were we (myself and another family member) able to intervene exactly in that moment on the day and prevent a tragedy. Another time He gave me a specific dream several weeks before I met the person the dream was for (I had no idea at the time). I didn’t recognise anyone in the dream or the place and the scenario was very specific and detailed. Unlike other dreams I remembered it completely perfectly, for many weeks even though it meant nothing to me. I was at a festival where there was praise times and teachings and at one of these I felt led to speak to someone there, a total stranger, and it turned out the dream was for them. They cried and hugged me! It bowled me over to be honest, it turned out the dream was to do with people they knew and work with, and a difficult work situation, it was something relevant only to them and it gave them a lot of encouragement. There have been many things like this, when I know it is the Holy Spirit speaking and revealing something or guiding me to something.
All I know is when I found out about the other vision - this was from a man called Maurice Sklar, the hair stood up on the back of my neck as he described what he saw and I remember thinking, he saw the bird’s eye view of what I did at ground level. The kids dreams and visions I found out about recently, there are so many on YouTube, mostly it is them describing being taken up and meeting Jesus and describing how he looks but also what we believe is the ‘final battle’, something we call the Day of the Lord and the destruction on the earth at this time. They have no guile and are just being honest in describing what they saw.
Sorry is late and tired but will come back on tomorrow if anyone wants to ask any more etc

Very true. And I have multiple times posted a statement from the UN themselves that they don’t have the authority to determine a genocide, only something like an international court can do that.

There is an ongoing international court case re Gaza but that will potentially take several years to determine a judgement- such is the level of complexity.

Yet armchair analysts continue to think they can determine where a genocide has been committed & where it hasn’t, & throw the term around freely.

As you say, war crimes are a different thing and it is highly probable that war crimes have been committed by all the protagonists in this war (US, Iran and Israel). They have all struck civilian infrastructure, for example, which is normally classified as a war crime, though there are exceptions.