A whole civilisation will die tonight.

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Tumps exact words today!

WTAF? That sounds like he is about to drop a Nuke!

How the hell has the world got here?

Trumps truth social posts sounds more like something that a dramatic gleeful tv presenter would say in a game show. Not something a world leader threatening to blow up an entire civilisation.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

@fracturedupont they got mostly air dominance fast and if Iran bombed their own major asset that would have been counter productive

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I mean she's right so yes.

Apart from the fact that India is right next door to Pakistan with its own nuclear weapons and Pakistan therefore has very good reason to not want to get involved in any nuclear to and fro, and that Pakistan are actually not some sort of axis of evil state (even if their military does have heavy control), how practically would they give this nuclear weapon to Iran? Are they going to put it on a truck and send by land? Presumably they're not going to put it on a plane given the risk that the US shoots that plane down.I doubt they disclose where they store their nuclear warheads but it stands to reason they're generally likely to be the other side of the country to where Iran is. How will Iran then use it? And how is it possibly in Pakistan's interests - what would Iran be able to give them in exchange? Why would Pakistan want to do something to so anger the Gulf States and the US? Why would they risk weakening their military capabilities - the relationship with India isn't exactly friendly at the moment, even in the context on how their normal relationship works. Neither is their relationship with Afghanistan exactly glorious at the moment.

Pakistan has an enormous amount to benefit from if it can be seen as a negotiator of peace on the world stage. It has nothing to benefit from giving Iran a nuc!

Who do you believe is their boss?

They claim air dominance - that means they control Iranian airspace and can fly around it at will. They have destroyed Iran's own air defences.

That doesn't mean the US can establish their own air defenses to protect Kharg island against a sustained attack. Those air defences don't currently exist so they'd have to set them up and Iran has shown itself perfectly capable of sending sustained drone and missile attacks. Carpet 'bomb' is probably the wrong term - it's carpet missile. Believe me, they send 500 drones and missiles at Kharg island (which isn't big) we end up with a very high US body count.

Iran is perfectly prepared to destroy its own assets to protect the regime. Would they definitely do it? No one knows but it's a strong enough possibility that the US military would be very reluctant to take the risk.

It also doesn't get the US anything. This is the issue with their position - they are fighting a war against a theoretical threat 1000s of miles from home against an opponent who is facing an existential threat. Iran is prepared to lose much more than US can. It's a similar position for Israel - the Israeli state sees Iran and Hezbollah as an existential threat. That's why one of the biggest worries most of the people on the ground in the region have is whether Israel is going to be willing to accept any peace that the US might want and, if they won't, what that means.

Thank God some of us are actually, you know, using our brains and thinking.

Pakistan has a mutual defence pact with Saudi.

Interesting - I didn't know that. So actually the risk is that Pakistan uses their nuclear capability against Iran (to defend Saudi) not the other way round!

[Not that that will happen either]

And I don't see a world where Iran doesn't respond to that latest attack on Lebanon. I've never hoped more that I'm wrong but it seems impossible that they don't.

They are going to pay the price via higher debt costs as Iran controls the S of H, if Iran is bombed again they will attack energy infrastructure in the region pushing inflation and interest rates even higher! They seem to suddenly be a lot more powerful than a few weeks ago?

But oil prices are still way up from what they were, and Iran has said they control the Strait, it is open on their terms?

Did anyone see the new Lego video?

The Iranian regime look grim - and they are grim but their propaganda department is extremely talented.

According to Sky news most of the people who used to obstruct negotiation with the West are now running Iran!

It is - it's a masterclass in how to exploit weaknesses in the enemy.

Sky news - "We are in a worse place than two months ago"

"None of the objectives of the war were achieved"

I have not, but their social media is also on point.
It's hard to tell that they are basically tyrants and zealots.

That's the point of good propaganda. They exploit the divisions that are already there - US is fighting a war of public opinion.

Iran doesn't need to play this propaganda war against Israel. Israelis are either ok with what their government is doing or they're not. The sides are already formed there. People have either already managed to justify to themselves (as has been seen on this thread) that Lebanese civilians are acceptable collateral damage if the aim is to eradicate Hezbollah, just as Palestinian civilians were/are against Hamas, or they have decided it's not. Netanyahu has picked his side.

100s dead in Beirut in 10 minutes. And apparently our concern should be that Iran might one day develop nuclear weapons. Not that Israel already has them.

Of course, we can expect to see Trump generously persuading Netanyahu to back down. After they've killed 100s more.

I’m reading rather than posting on this thread, but you’ve mixed up posters here.

Well there is a very funny Titanic Parody with Netanyahu in it…

But yes you are right it’s all targeted an American audience. It’s echoing what we are saying “unhinged “ and so on.

And even more worrisome is that it’s propaganda but it has more truth in it than the drivel coming out of Trump’s mouth.

You are totally right about Netanyahu. I don’t really understand why he is having so much influence over Trump.

If you want to start somewhere start with the one where they give a gift to Trump, a “very big present”. It’s all on insta.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/saudi-arabias-east-west-oil-pipeline-hit-iranian-attack-damage-being-assessed-2026-04-08/

The question was whether his words were a war crime and I doubt it.

You 'll never persuade pro Israeli/US posters of any equivalence of US/Israeli actions, let alone words, to that of Iran or their proxies.

What the US/Israel has done / said in and about Iran is beyond the pale.

The numbers of civilians they have killed, with impunity dwarfs that of Hamas or Hezbollah.. defended with "oh that was an accident/didn't mean too/collateral damage.... we will have an investigation" (which we never ever hear the outcome of)

Must be of huge comfort to them and their families.