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A whole civilisation will die tonight.

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todayImstruggling · 07/04/2026 13:37

Tumps exact words today!

WTAF? That sounds like he is about to drop a Nuke!

How the hell has the world got here?

Trumps truth social posts sounds more like something that a dramatic gleeful tv presenter would say in a game show. Not something a world leader threatening to blow up an entire civilisation.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

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BluebellShmoobell · 07/04/2026 22:21

Hallamule · 07/04/2026 22:07

Does your daughter work for Iranians living in Iran, or Iranians safe on the other side of the world?

They are in this country but have relatives still there as far as I know. Lovely, kind souls who speak of iran as this beautiful country that could be so fruitful for us all but just been held back and down by brutality.

AgingLikeGazpacho · 07/04/2026 22:22

BluebellShmoobell · 07/04/2026 21:59

Can someone Iranian come on here and tell me what they think please? My daughter works for Iranians and they are hugely supporting trump, I have no idea, im a working class English woman who can feel frightened about what's going on but I cant really have an opinion as ive not lived under a strict islamic state and from what my daughters bosses have said we really dont want to.

I'm half Iranian, been to Iran many times, been in contact with friends and family in iran. I can't speak for all Iranians, obviously, but none of the ones I know of within the country support this war.

To be clear, they do not support the government, but they are wise enough to know that this is not the route to a stable change of government and one that puts people and its own national interests at front of mind. Their opinion is that this will lead either to a military coup or some American puppet government being put in place. There is no obvious candidate for a democratic Iranian leadership. They have seen what has happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya and do not want a similar fate.

My family wanted an end to economic sanctions from the west and for diplomatic routes towards attaining greater political freedoms for Iranian citizens. They didn't want their country to be blown to bits.

The only Iranians I know of who are pro this war are ones who were exiled after the revolution (or their descendants) and naively believe that Pahlavi can be put in place as an interim leader. I understand why they are clinging on to this belief - they miss their country and desperately want to return, many have rose tinted spectacles of pre-1979 Iran.

From articles online that I've seen, the majority of support for the USA war within Iran seems to come from Iranian youth - again, due to their desperate optimism that things need to improve. Sadly they are probably unaware that things can actually become much, much worse. Older Iranians would have experienced the Iran-Iraq war and look upon this war in much less favourable light

I remember having conversations with my cousins before this war started about whether the only way to bring about regime change is war and they were fiercely of the opinion that change needs to come from within the country and that any foreign intervention could not be trusted to serve the best interests of the average Iranian

Due to the Internet blackout in iran we can't get a full view of opinions, but from my own experiences and what I have heard from my own friends and family within the country, the majority of people did not want a USA war to liberate them and do not support the strikes on their cities, universities, schools, hospitals, bridges, heritage sites and other infrastructure

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:22

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:18

The ordinary Iranians must be thinking if this is how the West behaves maybe they were better off with the Ayatolla.

please read up on how the people HAVE to live in Iran not choose to live

we have freedom they do not that’s all they want the freedoms we have

Tauranga · 07/04/2026 22:24

BluebellShmoobell · 07/04/2026 21:59

Can someone Iranian come on here and tell me what they think please? My daughter works for Iranians and they are hugely supporting trump, I have no idea, im a working class English woman who can feel frightened about what's going on but I cant really have an opinion as ive not lived under a strict islamic state and from what my daughters bosses have said we really dont want to.

I follow loads of Iranians on 'X' and this is their opinion. They would rather get bombed than live under the brutal regime which rapes women before hanging them.

I cannot assume to know what is going to happen but I hope for the best outcome for the Iranians who want freedom from the disgusting Ayatollahs

PrettyPickle · 07/04/2026 22:24

What people need to understand is Trumps communication style, it is a form of disruptive communication strategy. It has a few recognisable features:

High‑intensity language to dominate the conversation - he uses dramatic, aggressive, or extreme phrasing which forces everyone to react. It shifts the agenda instantly and grabs attention. Communication researchers call this agenda‑seizing - creating a message so loud that all other topics fall away. Hence deflecting away from the Epstein files.

Challenging behaviour to unsettle opponents - Interruptions, confrontational statements and unpredictable shifts in tone can make others lose their footing. This is sometimes described as destabilisation rhetoric. It is not about persuasion - it is about control of the interaction.

Breaking norms to signal strength - When someone repeatedly ignores expected political or diplomatic norms, it can be interpreted by supporters as “authenticity,” “toughness” and “refusing to play the game.” Political communication scholars call this norm‑violation signalling. That is why a lot of Americans voted for him in my opinion, he was different from the traditional Statesmen, but I think their fingers have been burnt.

Creating urgency to command attention - Dramatic statements i.e. “A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again" even if not tied to policy detail - creates a sense of crisis or immediacy. This is a well‑documented technique known as crisis framing. It makes people feel they must pay attention and it certainly worked on here.

Using conflict as a communication tool - Trump uses confrontation deliberately because conflict spreads faster, gets more media coverage, activates strong emotions, and keeps him at the centre of the narrative. This is sometimes A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

Why this style “makes people sit up and listen,” not because people agree but because:

  • it is unpredictable.
  • it is emotionally charged.
  • it breaks the usual pattern.
  • it triggers strong reactions.
  • it dominates headlines.
  • it forces others to respond.

In communication theory, this is called attention capture. It is the same principle used in advertising, activism, and crisis PR - intensity cuts through noise.

So, I suppose what I am saying is that it is basically the political equivalent of someone walking into a quiet room, knocking over a chair, and announcing themselves loudly. You may not like the style, but you certainly cannot ignore the entrance.

I really struggle with people like this, it can work when its new (he did get NATO to up their spending with his straight talking) but after a while it just becomes counter productive because, you grow to expect it, you become wary, long term stability is doubted, opponents start to adjust to the style, it tires people and more importantly, it undermines trust. For his first term in his presidency, he didn't get to where we are now. So he has to start pulling bigger and bigger stunts to keep attention and the momentum. Its just too much.

Llttledrummergirls · 07/04/2026 22:26

Livelovebehappy · 07/04/2026 21:10

Trump unhinged, but isn’t anyone else very concerned about the fact Iran are obviously much more capable, militarily, than the world thought? They’ve been holding themselves well against America’s onslaught, when many thought they would be on their knees within 48 hours of America’s attack. I mean, the fact they’re lining up just women and children as human chains in front of Iranian focal points pretty much sums up how evil the Iranian regime is. Where are the men? I’m sure not all are fighting….

No, the only people that thought that were the idiot Trump and his sycophants along with his MAGA supporters.

Anyone with half a brain knew it wouldn't be that easy.

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:27

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:22

please read up on how the people HAVE to live in Iran not choose to live

we have freedom they do not that’s all they want the freedoms we have

How does completely killing their whole civilisation lead to freedom? Freedom is of limited value if you are dead....

TryingNotToPanicAgain · 07/04/2026 22:30

What's the latest? I can't believe Iran will agree to open the Strait in exchange for a deadline delay

Weemammy21 · 07/04/2026 22:30

@PrettyPickle Are you joking or just plain blind? The US military has gone from different countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan and murdered innocent civilians so of course people don't believe a word you are saying. Are you based in a US military base by any chance? The US and now Trump have made themselves very clear that all they are interested in stealing oil and keeping the profits from Venezuela to Iran, stealing the land of Palestinians so they can build and profit from hotels, toppling the Iraq regime based on lies of WMD so as to steal and this is just the same. More American lies to cover the fact they go from country to country to steal, plunder and profiteer from poorer countries natural resources and the murder innocent civilians is inconsequential to them.

ObsessiveGoogler · 07/04/2026 22:32

Many Iranians are extremely resistant to Western intervention (even if they vehemently oppose the current regime) as they see it as one of the main reasons why they are now in their current situation.

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:33

I think a core problem is that this appears to have changed in Trumps mind from a war against a regime to a war against Iran. Whereas ordinary Iranians were the initially the victims they are now the enemy which why he sees bombing civilian powerplants as ok.

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:33

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:27

How does completely killing their whole civilisation lead to freedom? Freedom is of limited value if you are dead....

I

Llttledrummergirls · 07/04/2026 22:33

PrettyPickle · 07/04/2026 22:24

What people need to understand is Trumps communication style, it is a form of disruptive communication strategy. It has a few recognisable features:

High‑intensity language to dominate the conversation - he uses dramatic, aggressive, or extreme phrasing which forces everyone to react. It shifts the agenda instantly and grabs attention. Communication researchers call this agenda‑seizing - creating a message so loud that all other topics fall away. Hence deflecting away from the Epstein files.

Challenging behaviour to unsettle opponents - Interruptions, confrontational statements and unpredictable shifts in tone can make others lose their footing. This is sometimes described as destabilisation rhetoric. It is not about persuasion - it is about control of the interaction.

Breaking norms to signal strength - When someone repeatedly ignores expected political or diplomatic norms, it can be interpreted by supporters as “authenticity,” “toughness” and “refusing to play the game.” Political communication scholars call this norm‑violation signalling. That is why a lot of Americans voted for him in my opinion, he was different from the traditional Statesmen, but I think their fingers have been burnt.

Creating urgency to command attention - Dramatic statements i.e. “A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again" even if not tied to policy detail - creates a sense of crisis or immediacy. This is a well‑documented technique known as crisis framing. It makes people feel they must pay attention and it certainly worked on here.

Using conflict as a communication tool - Trump uses confrontation deliberately because conflict spreads faster, gets more media coverage, activates strong emotions, and keeps him at the centre of the narrative. This is sometimes A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

Why this style “makes people sit up and listen,” not because people agree but because:

  • it is unpredictable.
  • it is emotionally charged.
  • it breaks the usual pattern.
  • it triggers strong reactions.
  • it dominates headlines.
  • it forces others to respond.

In communication theory, this is called attention capture. It is the same principle used in advertising, activism, and crisis PR - intensity cuts through noise.

So, I suppose what I am saying is that it is basically the political equivalent of someone walking into a quiet room, knocking over a chair, and announcing themselves loudly. You may not like the style, but you certainly cannot ignore the entrance.

I really struggle with people like this, it can work when its new (he did get NATO to up their spending with his straight talking) but after a while it just becomes counter productive because, you grow to expect it, you become wary, long term stability is doubted, opponents start to adjust to the style, it tires people and more importantly, it undermines trust. For his first term in his presidency, he didn't get to where we are now. So he has to start pulling bigger and bigger stunts to keep attention and the momentum. Its just too much.

Edited

Hes a bombastic idiot who chooses bluster and hyperbole to shout over others and lamblast them into submission

An uncouth bully who would threaten genocide to stop people talking about his cover up of the Epstein files. Someone who boasts of paying for a children's pageant so he could go behind the scenes and watch the children while naked, who is best friends with a convicted paedophile and who is mentioned in the files so many times.

He is utter scum.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/04/2026 22:35

PrettyPickle · 07/04/2026 22:24

What people need to understand is Trumps communication style, it is a form of disruptive communication strategy. It has a few recognisable features:

High‑intensity language to dominate the conversation - he uses dramatic, aggressive, or extreme phrasing which forces everyone to react. It shifts the agenda instantly and grabs attention. Communication researchers call this agenda‑seizing - creating a message so loud that all other topics fall away. Hence deflecting away from the Epstein files.

Challenging behaviour to unsettle opponents - Interruptions, confrontational statements and unpredictable shifts in tone can make others lose their footing. This is sometimes described as destabilisation rhetoric. It is not about persuasion - it is about control of the interaction.

Breaking norms to signal strength - When someone repeatedly ignores expected political or diplomatic norms, it can be interpreted by supporters as “authenticity,” “toughness” and “refusing to play the game.” Political communication scholars call this norm‑violation signalling. That is why a lot of Americans voted for him in my opinion, he was different from the traditional Statesmen, but I think their fingers have been burnt.

Creating urgency to command attention - Dramatic statements i.e. “A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again" even if not tied to policy detail - creates a sense of crisis or immediacy. This is a well‑documented technique known as crisis framing. It makes people feel they must pay attention and it certainly worked on here.

Using conflict as a communication tool - Trump uses confrontation deliberately because conflict spreads faster, gets more media coverage, activates strong emotions, and keeps him at the centre of the narrative. This is sometimes A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

Why this style “makes people sit up and listen,” not because people agree but because:

  • it is unpredictable.
  • it is emotionally charged.
  • it breaks the usual pattern.
  • it triggers strong reactions.
  • it dominates headlines.
  • it forces others to respond.

In communication theory, this is called attention capture. It is the same principle used in advertising, activism, and crisis PR - intensity cuts through noise.

So, I suppose what I am saying is that it is basically the political equivalent of someone walking into a quiet room, knocking over a chair, and announcing themselves loudly. You may not like the style, but you certainly cannot ignore the entrance.

I really struggle with people like this, it can work when its new (he did get NATO to up their spending with his straight talking) but after a while it just becomes counter productive because, you grow to expect it, you become wary, long term stability is doubted, opponents start to adjust to the style, it tires people and more importantly, it undermines trust. For his first term in his presidency, he didn't get to where we are now. So he has to start pulling bigger and bigger stunts to keep attention and the momentum. Its just too much.

Edited

Oh thank you for this.

justasking111 · 07/04/2026 22:35

He's a potty mouth these days, the filters of a healthy mind are crumbling.

elprup · 07/04/2026 22:36

@BluebellShmoobell most of the Iranians quoted in this article seem to support the war. One actually says thank you Donald Trump!

www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/03/iran-turkey-kapikoy-border-crossing-war

RobynRB · 07/04/2026 22:37

I'm not defending Trump, but I'm sure the Ayatollahs would really sit up and take notice if Starmer made a strongly worded speech. I think DT has learned a lot from Putin. Sometimes it helps if the opposition think you are a bit crazy.

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:37

It's must pretty uncomfortable living in Iran knowing that your survival relies on the leader of the free world utter liar.

KeepPumping · 07/04/2026 22:38

PrettyPickle · 07/04/2026 22:24

What people need to understand is Trumps communication style, it is a form of disruptive communication strategy. It has a few recognisable features:

High‑intensity language to dominate the conversation - he uses dramatic, aggressive, or extreme phrasing which forces everyone to react. It shifts the agenda instantly and grabs attention. Communication researchers call this agenda‑seizing - creating a message so loud that all other topics fall away. Hence deflecting away from the Epstein files.

Challenging behaviour to unsettle opponents - Interruptions, confrontational statements and unpredictable shifts in tone can make others lose their footing. This is sometimes described as destabilisation rhetoric. It is not about persuasion - it is about control of the interaction.

Breaking norms to signal strength - When someone repeatedly ignores expected political or diplomatic norms, it can be interpreted by supporters as “authenticity,” “toughness” and “refusing to play the game.” Political communication scholars call this norm‑violation signalling. That is why a lot of Americans voted for him in my opinion, he was different from the traditional Statesmen, but I think their fingers have been burnt.

Creating urgency to command attention - Dramatic statements i.e. “A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again" even if not tied to policy detail - creates a sense of crisis or immediacy. This is a well‑documented technique known as crisis framing. It makes people feel they must pay attention and it certainly worked on here.

Using conflict as a communication tool - Trump uses confrontation deliberately because conflict spreads faster, gets more media coverage, activates strong emotions, and keeps him at the centre of the narrative. This is sometimes A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

Why this style “makes people sit up and listen,” not because people agree but because:

  • it is unpredictable.
  • it is emotionally charged.
  • it breaks the usual pattern.
  • it triggers strong reactions.
  • it dominates headlines.
  • it forces others to respond.

In communication theory, this is called attention capture. It is the same principle used in advertising, activism, and crisis PR - intensity cuts through noise.

So, I suppose what I am saying is that it is basically the political equivalent of someone walking into a quiet room, knocking over a chair, and announcing themselves loudly. You may not like the style, but you certainly cannot ignore the entrance.

I really struggle with people like this, it can work when its new (he did get NATO to up their spending with his straight talking) but after a while it just becomes counter productive because, you grow to expect it, you become wary, long term stability is doubted, opponents start to adjust to the style, it tires people and more importantly, it undermines trust. For his first term in his presidency, he didn't get to where we are now. So he has to start pulling bigger and bigger stunts to keep attention and the momentum. Its just too much.

Edited

Yes, and without workable ideas it just descends into farce.

Hallamule · 07/04/2026 22:38

Tauranga · 07/04/2026 22:24

I follow loads of Iranians on 'X' and this is their opinion. They would rather get bombed than live under the brutal regime which rapes women before hanging them.

I cannot assume to know what is going to happen but I hope for the best outcome for the Iranians who want freedom from the disgusting Ayatollahs

Again, are these Iranians living in Iran or from the diaspora, who have somewhat different vested interests? I only know 1 Iranian and she reports that her family (both in the UK and Iran) are utterly split as to the best way forward for their country. The only thing they agree on is that they'd like to see change in Iran's leadership.

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:39

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:27

How does completely killing their whole civilisation lead to freedom? Freedom is of limited value if you are dead....

I think most view Trump as being mad and absolutely the people in Iran will be terrified not just of what can happen but what will happen if it nothing changes for them

but to think they would rather live under the regime than what we have in the wesr/America is utter ridiculous have you not seen how people have risked their lives to protest to have basic freedoms we take for granted everyday

PandoraSocks · 07/04/2026 22:45

Tauranga · 07/04/2026 22:24

I follow loads of Iranians on 'X' and this is their opinion. They would rather get bombed than live under the brutal regime which rapes women before hanging them.

I cannot assume to know what is going to happen but I hope for the best outcome for the Iranians who want freedom from the disgusting Ayatollahs

Respectfully, accounts on X can't be trusted. Plus I am not sure how accessible X actually is in Iran? Please read the post by @AgingLikeGazpacho and her other posts on MN -I have found all her posts really informative.

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:47

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:39

I think most view Trump as being mad and absolutely the people in Iran will be terrified not just of what can happen but what will happen if it nothing changes for them

but to think they would rather live under the regime than what we have in the wesr/America is utter ridiculous have you not seen how people have risked their lives to protest to have basic freedoms we take for granted everyday

I get it life under the regime a lot worse than life in the West and if Trump was offering plan for freedom that would be attractive. But he isn't. Trump is threating death to the entire civilisation. I can't see why any Iranians would want that. Now he might not really mean it but that is what he is saying - leave the straight of homez alone or we will kill all Iranian people.

BiteSizeByzantine · 07/04/2026 22:57

This is what happens when genocide gets ignored and international law gets pissed on consequence free. We did say.

HRTQueen · 07/04/2026 22:57

Dragonflytamer · 07/04/2026 22:47

I get it life under the regime a lot worse than life in the West and if Trump was offering plan for freedom that would be attractive. But he isn't. Trump is threating death to the entire civilisation. I can't see why any Iranians would want that. Now he might not really mean it but that is what he is saying - leave the straight of homez alone or we will kill all Iranian people.

Of course no one wants death to a whole civilisation or death to anyone innocent

Iranians are not stupid they know they isn’t an act of being empathetic by Trump

i don’t think for the people in Iran this it is about Trump it’s about freedom

can it be achieved I hope it can, not sure it will and either way it will
come at a harsh cost for the people

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