I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

I’d be interested to hear what some of the women I’ve heard today think of your take with the ‘happy clappy’ dismissal.

But still you didn’t answer. What should they have done instead? Can you say, perhaps you do have a better option for them?

I'm very sorry for what happened to you. That context explains quite a lot about your posts. I hope that you are able to get some support with your mental health.

I think you are drawing a false equivalence between very different things, though. People can march about whatever they want to march about. It doesn't mean that they don't care about other issues, such as the grooming gangs. You can't possibly know what they might think or feel about those issues.

The grooming gangs - and the failure of multiple authorities to take action against them - were horrific and any sane person should be angry about them. But that doesn't mean that people can't legitimately feel angry about other injustices as well.

No one here is saying they don’t want a free Iran.

Ffs, you are a one trick pony. 'the women I heard today, the women I heard today' over and over and over.

What about the women crying on the streets of Iran mourning the loss of their leader EasternStandard? Are you listening to them, do you want them to get what they want too? If not why not? Do those women not count for you? What about the women terrified of what is come, the ones who have watched what the West have done to the Middle East in the past, no thoughts on them either I suppose?

I'm not the one dismissing people here. You the one that can't see anything outside of your blinkers.

And by the way my 'happy clappy' was directed at you and your miss world speeches, your I just want women to be free 🥺

Just if the cost of that is that you have to say Trump did something right, then it's not worth it.

Funny and accurate!

And you have form for posts like this. No surprise at all.

If focusing on the atrocities women have suffered in Iran is a problem that’s a you issue, not mine.

Bang on. Its ridiculous.

Still no answer on what people can do? What is it you wanted exactly? You losing it in posts isn’t actually answering.

Oh I see just saw this. Yes I’m sure you wouldn’t aim it at anyone bar on mumsnet.

I was listening to a former ambassador to Iran today. He said the best estimate of the Iranian population who support the regime is 25%. Assuming half of them are woman so 12.5%, at best, do you think they are acting on their own free will when they show support for the regime?

For those who think that what the US and Israel did was right, do you therefore believe that any country has the right to intervene and bring about regime change in another country by assassinating its leaders, if they consider that the regime is dangerous?

If the people are going out in the streets unarmed, begging for intervention, before being slaughtered by the regime in their thousands? Yes I think thats justified.

Do you believe that the protests by the Iranian people were what motivated the intervention?

How many protesters would need to be slaughtered before an intervention was justified, do you you think?

Surely he should have had permission from the UN and Congress? Otherwise, he may as well have announced himself Emperor of the World.

A number of MN posters wanted Trump to intervene with UK politics, so who knows.

I hope nobody is suggesting th UK joins Trump

Priti Patel was arguing this morning that the government should have been supporting the US .

I'm not 'losing it' at all. I'm pointing out that you are only listening to one type of woman, the women that you agree with. Not a care for the women that you don't agree with, you haven't even acknowledged their existence on this thread because they aren't 'the women I heard today'.

How many went out on the streets begging for US intervention? A population of 90million people, how many people went out there, do you have those percentages? Because according to a lot of people those percentages are enough to justify attacking a foreign country and forcing regime change. Estimates say 5million people protested, that makes 5% of the population. So we should all listen to that 5% who were 'begging for help' but should ignore everyone else because they couldn't possibly be acting on their own free will?! Again people are just hearing what they want to hear.

I’m not sure when listening to oppressed women became such an issue but there is their reality of how brutal that oppression is which brings some urgency to their situation. Eye gouging, deaths, bodily mutilation should probably be more of a concern than it is and doesn’t really deserve this mocking kind of response.

It’s been decades. I think they have every right to not want it to continue.

But also what do you want to happen? What should they have done?

I would believe you if you had expressed the same sceptisim about all forms of media, as I have above. As it is, you seem to have purely demonstrated your bias.

Another narrow minded post, which only confirms what I just suggested. You think that everyone is in a little political box where they either support Corbyn or Trump whole heartedly?!
While I don't support all of Corbyn's political ideas, he is the only Western leader that I can think of immediately who is principled and refused to be bought by lobby groups (Trump has clearly been bought by the Israelis and others). Corbyn is a man of integrity, hughly unusual in a politician. That is why he was torn down by the MSM.