I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

Unless Hamas was using children as terrorists then it’s impossible that there were ‘tens of thousands’ of children killed since the number of casualties agreed between Israel and Hamas was 71,000 and 50,000 of them have been given pensions.
Looking at the number of people carrying banners and shouting ‘globalise the Intifada’ then yes, I do think the majority were supporting terrorists - otherwise they wouldn’t be there.
And I haven’t organised any marches.

The common denominator in the abuse of women and children is men. Does not matter where they were born or what their religion is.

The thing is the case is not closed on either Venezuela or Iran... we know from the past how American interference does not tend to play out well in the future. And this has all been done I think with very little thought of the consequences - just 'get rid of the current guy'. It usually leads to just a different kind of corruption/the same warlords as before in charge/more extremism because there is always more at play than just a really awful head of state.

I agree with you OP but expect you will get absolutely torn to shreds for writing this on here because some people will never admit to it even if they think he has achieved some good things.

There are people in the UK who are supposedly marching for Iran - when in reality they are marching to oppose the action that Trump is taking to take down the despotic Iranian regime. Conversely I’ve seen videos of Iranian people on the streets cheering with joy. I hope they get to experience freedom again.

How utterly condescending. I was in the throng of it last night and today with 1000s of Iranians overcome with pure joy and expressing deep gratitude to those involved in destroying the head of the snake. They are desperate to return to their once beloved country, either to live or to visit their hopefully free (from despotic, murderous rulers) families and loved ones. All this raw emotion while lighting candles and leaving flowers to memorialise hundreds of beautiful men, women and children who have been slaughtered, and whose beautiful faces adorn .metres and metres of hoarding along the street.
No weekly marches on the streets of the UK about the tens of thousands slaughtered in Iran though. How very strange....but tells you all you need to know..
Who dares to tell the long suffering, deeply rabused Iranian people that Trump shouldn't have done what he did. How dare you.

UN Women’s latest analysis estimates that more than 28,000 women and girls have been killed in Gaza since the onset of hostilities in October 2023.

I think we can agree that was worth being concerned about.

There are also Iranians people out in the streets in Iran grieving over their leader. A lot of people now fear a civil war. It’s not so straight forward as Trump bombs for a few days and the Iranian people can get on and build their lovely democracy.

I think the general consensus is that around 20,000 children were killed in Gaza. So yes, tens of thousands, with many more injured.

If you haven't organised any marches, why are you annoyed that other people haven't done so?

People were marching about Palestine because they wanted to stop the UK government to stop selling arms to Israel.

I think lots of people probably looked on in horror at what was going on in the Iranian regime, but it's less clear what they would have been demanding that the UK government should have done about it.

What exactly were you demanding from the UK government on your weekly marches about Iran? (I assume that you were doing them, given that you seem so cross that others didn't join you?)

There are over 100,000 Iranians living in the UK. Where were they with their weekly marches, do you think it tells you every thing you need to know that they weren't out there in the streets in huge numbers?

More than 20,000 Palestinian children have been killed. Were they terrorists too?

Yeah I saw a clip from the BBC of people weeping in the streets in Iran. Are we going to have people all on their high horses saying how dare people not listen to these Iranian people? Of course not because to them it is a black and white issue and when of course in reality it is very far from it.

I hear you. It’s been emotional hearing from Iranian women.

The Iranian women that were crying on the streets mourning their leader? Or do we not listen to those Iranian women?

White saviour complex is clear to see on this thread.

I’m not sure who this is aimed at? I want the Iranian women to have a central voice in this. They have suffered from severe atrocities and oppression for too long. Awful, awful stories of mutilation and repression.

I think they want a free Iran and I can’t blame them. I would too.

I think that this sums up the complexity quite well(image might take a minute to be approved).

Thank you for posting that. It very much echoes the sentiments expressed by my Iranian friend this morning.

I really hope that they will somehow find a free and peaceful way forward in the very near future. They have already suffered enough.

It’s all very well wanting Iranian women and to have freedoms they should

it doesn’t mean it’s right to bomb people and force a regime change in another country - that just makes you a violent bully

and I’ll bet you any amount that not all women in Iran want regime change

What do you think those women should have done to get the freedoms you agree they should have?

When has the US bombing a middle eastern country and forcing a regime change ever worked to get women freedom? Iraq, Iran previously, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan?

We all want world peace and happy clappy everyone is free but the issue is that that isn't what the West has a history of doing in the middle east. That is why not everyone is cheering this on.

any society has different opinions- you work to persuade others that you are right

you don’t rely on someone else bombing your country to get your own way - gosh perhaps the US will bomb us next to force reform in? Why not?

and if thw women don’t have majority support then bombing won’t make much difference anyway

what bombing will do is make many double down and the medium term impact on Iranian women could well be much worse not better . Bombs don’t change minds. They might wear people down , they might drive them underground, they don’t change minds like that

I agree with this.

It is possible to care deeply about the grooming gangs and to urge your MP to support robust action, while simultaneously thinking that a similar, credible accusation against the leader of the free world is a singular low in need of investigation.

Latest reports are that Israel has shut down all crossings into and out of Gaza, even for humanitarian workers. No food going in.

I haven’t organised any marches no.
I’m extremely pissed off when I see masses of people marching for Palestine but they don’t care to march for white girls in the UK!
Oh no. They don’t count do they?!
Shut up for diversity!!

The main reason I havent organised any marches because I’m too fucking traumatised by going to the police station last February with a friend to report the historic abuse and rapes I suffered as a 15 year old ,by Pakistani Muslims.

I’ve had to give up a job I loved, I’ve had a nervous breakdown and I was recently hospitalised with heart issues.
I can’t sleep because of flashbacks and nightmares.
Digging this up and relating it all has not been a bed of fucking roses.

and @Nn9011 I really REALLY don’t give a flying fuck if my ‘racism’ is showing.