Ayatollah reported killed - not confirmed

[Viviennemary]

Surely this can only be a good thing if that tyrant is no more. However hopefully it won't lead to months/years of fighting and bloodshed

Have you read anything of the atrocities by the regime?

and understood why the Iranian people are feeling as they do?

I am not saying I want to live in Iran rather than US or Israel. I am saying I think Trump and BN are dangerous for the world. I dont think this is necessarily a good thing for Iranian people long term, though of course I hope it is. I also think its really naive to think of Trump and BN as some sort of freedom fighters who are doing this to free the Iranian people and make the world a better place.

Yes I am very familiar with it thank you. I am
also reading a lot of deeper analysis on this and not just headline news.

That’s good. And your view of the regime’s mutilation and oppression of women?

https://www.wilpf.org/whilst-the-world-has-not-been-looking-the-iranian-regime-has-increased-execution-this-must-stop/

Sometimes (.for me I try all the time ).we need to look at things subjectively and pragmatically.

Please re read my posts if you saw anything there about supporting the Iranian regime and the Ayatollah.

And it’s funny if you think this is being done to help the women of Iran 😵‍💫😂

"I read something, therefore, I know better than people who live/d under that regime"

“Little or no justification”
REALLY.???
Iran has financed terrorists around the western world for decades.
They have ensured massive instability in the ME because of their utter hatred of Israel and every Jewish person.
The extreme Islam Mullahs have murdered tens of thousands of their own people in the last few weeks - god only knows how many over the last 47 years,
Women KILLED for showing a bit of hair! For beimg raped!
No justification???
Fuck that and the goat he ride in on.

There will ALWAYS be casualties in regime change.
I feel dreadfully sorry for the children who died yesterday and their parents but I feel much more sorry for the 35,000 people murdered on their own streets for protesting.
The Iranian leaders would let every single person in Iran die if it meant they could destroy Israel. Well, when I say every single person they won’t include themselves or their families in that of course.

MI5 with Mossad intelligence has foiled 20 Iranian terrorist plots in the UK.
What would they hve done? Blown up synagogues? Shot up kids in Jewish schools? Or maybe just another blowing up,of kids at a concert or blowing people up on their way to work -no doubt Birmingham and Bradford would hve been safe though.

I hope our weak weak PM does another of his U turns and allows American forces to use any of our bases and runways . I’m pleased the RAF had planes up in the ME yesterday.

The indiscriminate rocketing of other Muslim countries by Iran will simply push the moderate countries into supporting Israel.
This may finally bring about some peace in the ME.
Surely you would want that?

Or will you be rocking up to parliament square with Corbyn, the Greens and every other terrorist supporting twat.

Emojis and finding it funny. Incredible.

I listened to Shiva Mahbobi speak on the radio, I’d love you to post that directly to her.

You could hear her emotion which I’ll take over posters with emojis.

I think it’s incredible, not funny you are right, that you think this is being done for the good of the Iranian people. I think they have much worse to come now, but like I have already posted, I hope that I am I am wrong. I think Trump and NB have just started something very dangerous.

I have posted Iranian voices because they are the most important ones.

Anyone responding with laughing emojis can think about whether they’d do that directly to Iranian women celebrating or emotional today. Awful to see how people can’t even listen to those women.

There are many Iranian voices eastern standard. I think it will be a very short celebration. Let’s see.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Which ones are you listening to @Mariannaa?

Who are you hoping is successful?

Look at the power Putin has over the entire world with his nukes.
Iran can't have them and I hope trump and netyhanu make sure their nukes are obliterated properly

I have posted Iranian voices because they are the most important ones.

You have chosen to post one view. I have seen news reports of thousands of Iranian people celebrating the death of the Ayatollah and news reports of thousands mourning his death. Iran is a huge country and there is massive division in how they view this. This is not as black and white as you appear to want to make it.

Excellent post

Sorry…I meant excellent reply!

I am reading the news and analysis of by experts in the region EasternStandard. It’s not difficult to find different opinions on what is currently happening. Go and have a search. It doesn’t mean that you are a supporter of the Iranian regime. Dont be ridiculous.

Feel free to link what you want and I will too. I listened to Shiva and understand her fears and hopes.

If you want to make a case for someone else, the regime for example, go for it.

This exactly. The Iranians aren’t a country waiting to all free their women from oppression and for their gays to come out of the closet like some here dem to think. The war in Afghanistan has been so good for the women now living under taliban, hasn’t it

I think that poster was being sarcastic and referring to this comment that the now newly elected Green MP for Gorton and Denton, Hannah Spencer made at the reform candidate Matt Goodwin

https://youtube.com/shorts/GJE8Z_S52-U?si=fOvVtHvokTfIgQZf

It’s incredibly short-sighted to accuse those who are not entirely on board with the US’ intervention here of being terrorist sympathisers.

yes, this has the potential to bring about changes in Iran. But the fact is that those changes won’t and can’t be brought about by the US or anyone else, they have to come from within. And the fact that Iran are now retaliating is clear evidence that they’re not going to take this lying down.

The death of a leader only means change if you can eliminate his support as well, and thus far that hasn’t happened.

And America isn’t going to take charge in Iran and force changes, they can’t and shouldn’t.

And anyone who thinks that this is about anything other than power and oil for the US is naive.

You think Trump cares about women? Get real.

In an ideal world change will happen.

In the real world it can only happen if the Iranian people bring it about. And that’s still an uphill battle.

We talked regime change in Iraq. Well that went well didn’t it?

Afghanistan? Well their regime is far worse than it was before we went in, and we couldn’t stay there indefinitely.

you can say that the death of an abhorrent leader is good, and it is. Although tbh I’m not a fan of other countries going in to decide who lives how and why when those same countries wouldn’t welcome the same intrusion into their own politics.

But while celebrating the fall of a leader there is still a bigger picture which hasn’t even started being painted yet. And the fact is that no-one knows how that is going to play out or whether it will bring change for good or not.

I am not making a case for the regime, but I am
able to take in different opinions on this from what I am reading and understand the complexity and danger of current situation.