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Ayatollah reported killed - not confirmed

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Viviennemary · 28/02/2026 20:24

Surely this can only be a good thing if that tyrant is no more. However hopefully it won't lead to months/years of fighting and bloodshed

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YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:12

Mariannaa · 01/03/2026 14:10

You don’t need to watch Al Jazeera to know Trump is a lunatic.

even a broken clock is right twice a day

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:13

YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:07

Unless you’re Iranian, where huge amounts of people are all rejoicing

My SIL and her family are absolutely overjoyed

That will stop soon amid the death and disorder that will inevitably follow unfortunately. I would love freedom for Iranians. I just don't think this will bring that.

YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:16

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:13

That will stop soon amid the death and disorder that will inevitably follow unfortunately. I would love freedom for Iranians. I just don't think this will bring that.

They’ve spent months already mourning deaths and coping with disorder.

Do you think they have no idea about their own country? That they need guardian swallowers to leftsplain to them?

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 14:17

YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:16

They’ve spent months already mourning deaths and coping with disorder.

Do you think they have no idea about their own country? That they need guardian swallowers to leftsplain to them?

I’m wondering too why so many on mn think Iranians aren’t aware of their own situation.

YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:19

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 14:17

I’m wondering too why so many on mn think Iranians aren’t aware of their own situation.

The more generous side of me is trying not to believe that they just think “stupid little uneducated brown people”

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 14:24

YiddlySquat · 01/03/2026 14:19

The more generous side of me is trying not to believe that they just think “stupid little uneducated brown people”

It’s so toe curling to see. It does seem to be from the left in particular. I’m guessing it’s due to Trump’s involvement but still, just don’t.

Iranians know what their situation is better than people posting on mn from the comfort of U.K.

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:25

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 14:17

I’m wondering too why so many on mn think Iranians aren’t aware of their own situation.

I would probably celebrate too if I were Iranian, out of joy at his death. But that doesn't mean this will end well. I see no need for people to be so aggressive about people having an opinion. I'm 62, I've paid attention to world politics all my adult life, I have sadly seen how these things go. And it is rarely if ever well. And I would like it to go well.

Blahblahulala · 01/03/2026 14:32

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 14:24

It’s so toe curling to see. It does seem to be from the left in particular. I’m guessing it’s due to Trump’s involvement but still, just don’t.

Iranians know what their situation is better than people posting on mn from the comfort of U.K.

It's normal.
Someone once "corrected" what I said about Dh's country in ME situation. He had no connection to nor proper knowledge of said country. I literally just came back from there, quite shaken.
But my seen and heard experience and lived experiences of my inlaws were all wrong apparently.
Genuinely still wonder if he would dare to speak to my DH like that.

TigTails · 01/03/2026 14:34

NZKate · 01/03/2026 03:27

Are you advocating for the assassination of Trump or Netanyahu on a public forum?

It wouldn’t be a tragedy.

Blahblahulala · 01/03/2026 14:34

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:25

I would probably celebrate too if I were Iranian, out of joy at his death. But that doesn't mean this will end well. I see no need for people to be so aggressive about people having an opinion. I'm 62, I've paid attention to world politics all my adult life, I have sadly seen how these things go. And it is rarely if ever well. And I would like it to go well.

You know the people in Iran are also aware of how it went on in other countries...

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:38

TigTails · 01/03/2026 14:34

It wouldn’t be a tragedy.

I despise them both, but assassination isn't the answer. Again the outcomes would likely be poor. And it's wrong.

Imale · 01/03/2026 14:41

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:38

I despise them both, but assassination isn't the answer. Again the outcomes would likely be poor. And it's wrong.

Wow. I mean I wouldn't have voted for either and don't like either but they were both democratically elected. If it's OK from your side to assassinate democratically elected leaders who you don't agree with, how would you feel if the 'other side' also felt they had the right to kill the leaders you happen to approve of?

Imale · 01/03/2026 14:45

Mariannaa · 01/03/2026 13:49

Where are you getting this absolute nonsense from?

Personal experience and interactions

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:47

Imale · 01/03/2026 14:41

Wow. I mean I wouldn't have voted for either and don't like either but they were both democratically elected. If it's OK from your side to assassinate democratically elected leaders who you don't agree with, how would you feel if the 'other side' also felt they had the right to kill the leaders you happen to approve of?

Did you read what I said? I said it's wrong?

Imale · 01/03/2026 14:56

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:47

Did you read what I said? I said it's wrong?

Yeah, sorry, that was in response to the previous poster you responded to as well. Agree with you!

binnibonnieboo · 01/03/2026 14:58

Imale · 01/03/2026 14:56

Yeah, sorry, that was in response to the previous poster you responded to as well. Agree with you!

No problem!

Arraminta · 01/03/2026 15:26

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 28/02/2026 22:52

Indeed. A tolerant, open society, well within the memories of many, before the crazies took over.

Lebanon was like that too. Perhaps it can recover its liberal self-confidence if the sponsor of its troubles, Iran, does now shake off its own oppression by the mullahs.

Absolutely. My uncle worked in Iran in the early 70s. Women freely walking around in mini skirts, attending university, having professional careers.

Addybee · 01/03/2026 17:21

Exactly this!

I wish people would stop explaining America and israel to us like we’ve only just discovered how the world works.

We know how foreign policy works. We know about interests and power plays and geopolitical games. We’re not blind. We’ve lived through decades of it. We’ve been sanctioned, isolated, used as bargaining chips, and spoken about like we’re a chessboard instead of actual human beings.

People inside and outside of Iran have been in the streets for years, protesting, risking arrest, risking our lives, marching across cities in Iran and across the world, begging people to see us, to stand with us, to pressure their governments to do something. Most people stayed silent.

But now that the U.S. and Israel have taken military action, suddenly everyone has an opinion. Suddenly everyone is on a moral high horse telling us what the “right way” is and warning us about consequences, as if we haven’t thought about that ourselves.

No one needs to educate us on the risks of war. We understand them better than anyone. I was literally born in Iran during a war. This isn’t theoretical for us.

What people fail to understand is that with this regime in power, there is no real safety anywhere. Not for us. Not for the region. Not for the wider world. As long as they remain in control, instability doesn’t disappear, it just gets exported.

Of course people are afraid of escalation. That fear is valid. But pretending that maintaining the status quo equals “peace” is dishonest. It has never been peaceful for us.

47 years ago, people marched in another revolution and took a gamble on a future they believed in. We all know how that turned out. No one is saying what comes next will be perfect. No one thinks it will be rainbows and butterflies.

But today there is a new generation, more connected, more aware, with a completely different vision for their country and They are not naïve.
They are just tired.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/03/2026 18:32

Addybee · 01/03/2026 17:21

Exactly this!

I wish people would stop explaining America and israel to us like we’ve only just discovered how the world works.

We know how foreign policy works. We know about interests and power plays and geopolitical games. We’re not blind. We’ve lived through decades of it. We’ve been sanctioned, isolated, used as bargaining chips, and spoken about like we’re a chessboard instead of actual human beings.

People inside and outside of Iran have been in the streets for years, protesting, risking arrest, risking our lives, marching across cities in Iran and across the world, begging people to see us, to stand with us, to pressure their governments to do something. Most people stayed silent.

But now that the U.S. and Israel have taken military action, suddenly everyone has an opinion. Suddenly everyone is on a moral high horse telling us what the “right way” is and warning us about consequences, as if we haven’t thought about that ourselves.

No one needs to educate us on the risks of war. We understand them better than anyone. I was literally born in Iran during a war. This isn’t theoretical for us.

What people fail to understand is that with this regime in power, there is no real safety anywhere. Not for us. Not for the region. Not for the wider world. As long as they remain in control, instability doesn’t disappear, it just gets exported.

Of course people are afraid of escalation. That fear is valid. But pretending that maintaining the status quo equals “peace” is dishonest. It has never been peaceful for us.

47 years ago, people marched in another revolution and took a gamble on a future they believed in. We all know how that turned out. No one is saying what comes next will be perfect. No one thinks it will be rainbows and butterflies.

But today there is a new generation, more connected, more aware, with a completely different vision for their country and They are not naïve.
They are just tired.

Superb post. 👏

Viviennemary · 01/03/2026 18:33

It will be awful if all this doesn't lead to a regime change for the better.

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Vinvertebrate · 01/03/2026 19:01

Absolutely @Viviennemary - the worst possible outcome would be to leave the IRGC in some sort of control, occasionally lobbing missiles to destabilize the region. Let’s hope the US and Israel finish the job and start to try to build some kind of consensus.

The Saudi King told George W Bush, when he was POTUS, that the only way to stop terrorist groups like Hamas was to “cut the head off the snake” and take out Iran. Wish they’d listened to him a few decades ago.

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 19:14

Addybee · 01/03/2026 17:21

Exactly this!

I wish people would stop explaining America and israel to us like we’ve only just discovered how the world works.

We know how foreign policy works. We know about interests and power plays and geopolitical games. We’re not blind. We’ve lived through decades of it. We’ve been sanctioned, isolated, used as bargaining chips, and spoken about like we’re a chessboard instead of actual human beings.

People inside and outside of Iran have been in the streets for years, protesting, risking arrest, risking our lives, marching across cities in Iran and across the world, begging people to see us, to stand with us, to pressure their governments to do something. Most people stayed silent.

But now that the U.S. and Israel have taken military action, suddenly everyone has an opinion. Suddenly everyone is on a moral high horse telling us what the “right way” is and warning us about consequences, as if we haven’t thought about that ourselves.

No one needs to educate us on the risks of war. We understand them better than anyone. I was literally born in Iran during a war. This isn’t theoretical for us.

What people fail to understand is that with this regime in power, there is no real safety anywhere. Not for us. Not for the region. Not for the wider world. As long as they remain in control, instability doesn’t disappear, it just gets exported.

Of course people are afraid of escalation. That fear is valid. But pretending that maintaining the status quo equals “peace” is dishonest. It has never been peaceful for us.

47 years ago, people marched in another revolution and took a gamble on a future they believed in. We all know how that turned out. No one is saying what comes next will be perfect. No one thinks it will be rainbows and butterflies.

But today there is a new generation, more connected, more aware, with a completely different vision for their country and They are not naïve.
They are just tired.

Superb post from me too. I hope more read it.

lljkk · 01/03/2026 20:05

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 09:13

I don’t get your first line re @Vinvertebratedh, are you being critical of how he or the pp feels?

Edited

um, to paraphrase the previous convo (from memory):
vinvert: My DH is super happy about the Ayatollah being killed.
Me: How does your DH think Ayaltollah's death will make things better for ordinary Iranians?
vinvert: DH reckons the bastard deserved to be murdered.
Me: (that doesn;t seem like answer to my question, but I suppose what I should hear is) the DH likes having revenge

I was trying to be factual in my understanding. Not critical, just factual.

LunaDeBallona · 01/03/2026 21:41

MyThreeWords · 01/03/2026 08:43

Killing a nation's head of state in an attack with little or no justification in international law is an atrocity. Imagine if it was the other way around and Trump had been bombed to death by Iran in the White House?

The wickedness of the leader in either case does nothing to mitigate the terrifying illegality of it, its horrible potential for destabilisation.

And of course even the murder of a head of state pales against the other story on the front pages today -- the murder of at least 100 schoolgirls who had the misfortune to attend a school next to a revolutionary guard barracks. (Confirmed by Reuters although still not fully verified.)

If the UK does as much as provide a runway for the US military in this bloodshed, our leaders should be hounded for war crimes.

Just thought I would let you know that two tier kier has changed his mind and Britain IS going to let the our allies the US Military use our bases.

Good news @Addybee

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/03/2026 22:11

LunaDeBallona · 01/03/2026 21:41

Just thought I would let you know that two tier kier has changed his mind and Britain IS going to let the our allies the US Military use our bases.

Good news @Addybee

I’ve just been reading coverage of this. I really can’t see Starmer’s logic in ‘defensive’ strikes by the US against Iranian missile sites from British bases. Attacking these sites is what the US has been doing from the outset. We’re just permitting use later. Quite how a late start makes everything legal when it supposedly was illegal before is baffling. (Not that I think there’s any reality in international law and its ‘courts’.)

But as I think Starmer should have had the spine to let the US use our bases in the first place, crack on.

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