US strikes Iran

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In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

So the alternative would be to let them continue developing nuclear weapons until too late.

Maybe they shouldn't have been left to get to the stage they are now. Alternative view.

Yes I’m not sure how giving them another decade of development with enriched uranium is good?

If they did get there I doubt we’d be posting much.

Yes.

But that’s an alternative view only in the sense that it’s another view. It’s very obviously the right view.

The US, the West, Israel should have acted forcefully against Iran years ago. The belief that the Iranian regime could become rational, abandon its racist and religious hatred and stop its violence and direction and funding of violence was so evidently delusional that the need to act has been clear for years.

North Korea has nukes....they haven't used them..... everyone knows using them is signing your own demise....it's why Putin hasn't them in the Ukraine.

https://youtube.com/shorts/jFRTZGgmGo4?si=-TdpT5d6kyS8VPZL
Just found this on youtube.
Trump's own words, in 2011.......

How the world has changed!

Poland are now talking about getting nukes. France says it intends to increase its own inventory. A war of aggression against a non nuclear state is leading to nuclear proliferation to the surprise of absolutely no one with 2 functioning brain cells.

We have no idea how many Israel has but we do know they are never inspected and they have the Samson option. Very reassuring.

There is so much bullshit on here. If Iran wanted nukes they would have them. Russia assisted NK getting nukes. NK has offered weapons to Iran and no doubt Russia would help too. After Trump tore up the JCPIOA in 2018 Iran were no longer constrained by it's requirements. They don't have nukes because of a fatwa put in place by the Ayatollah we've just killed. They enriched uranium to 60% iirc as a deterrent by showing they could do it. They offered to hand over all 400kg to the US in the most recent negotiations. They were willing to discuss ballistic missiles too.

The US has offered a series of reasons to justify their illegal war but none of them pass the sniff test and so the rats in the bag are trying to blame each other. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's lives are at risk every minute of every fucking day and the US has joined Israel in committing war crimes. What a mess.

@FOJN well I think the bigger mess is living in a large prison is what dictatorships are .

Guards banging on flat doors to ensure people are in mourning for their operrsor and threatened with being killed if not.

Children asked to rat year parents out.

People on motorbikes terrorising villages.

They want help.
The regime lies and not a single soundbite could ever be trusted.

Yes it sounds horrific. Poor people. And no way to get out from under it.

On nuclear weaponry some might trust Iran, or the IRGC specifically, but it could be a high risk gamble.

Which other country do you think we should carpet bomb for freedom? There's no shortage of oppressive regimes in the world. We happily do business with many of them and, for economic reasons, manage to stay out of their domestic affairs. Placing profit over principles robs us of any moral authority we might delude ourselves into thinking we have.

Maybe we could try to liberate the nuclear armed countries first, no point in making the lives of people in Saudi Arabia more of a misery if our attempt to liberate China ends us all.

I can't take anyone seriously who tells me the Iranian government are liars but we should trust our own. Iraq is a perfect example of how our own government lies to us, they even commissioned the "sex up" dossier to convince us the UK was 45 minutes away from annihilation if we didn't act.

All governments lie, all the fucking time.

Wars of aggression are against international law, no matter how awful the government of a particular country may be.

The IRGC has been a huge sponsor of terrorism and violence in the Middle East and beyond for along time now, as well as the brutal suppression and mass murder and torture of actual Iranians.
The world will be a better place when that particular evil theocracy is gone, which will hopefully be soon.

I've got high hopes for the rest of the Middle East, driven by countries like the UAE and Saidi. Mohammed bin Salmen has even been talking publicly about Islam in a way that sounds almost as if he's endorsing reformation.

We're supporting a former Al Qaeda commander in Syria. A man who had a 10 million dollar bounty on his head until he was useful to us in removing Assad. Someone who was a commander in the terrorist organisation responsible for 9/11 being supported and complimented by the President of the US. It's becoming increasingly obvious that politics not violence determines who gets labelled a terrorist.

This is the problem, when you have a Samson and Goliath scenario the side that knows it can't defeat it's enemy in a conventional fight will always turn to unconventional tactics. One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

Israel had persistently attacked Iran, the CIA has persistently conducted espionage and funding its own so called freedom fighters or militias. Relentless sanctions and trade restrictions.

I feel for Iranians because they need a change but they need a government that looks after it's interests and not one that panders to US and Israeli demands.

Look at Cuba, a largely peaceful country that can't even import a piano....it's utterly disgusting to treat a country like that just because you don't like their politics.

It's been never ending and Russia again has been guilty of this in the Donbas region as has the CIA.

@EasternStandard it's clear we never get boxed in again with a rogue regime like we have with Putin.

I hope they clear out all the threats . I read today there are already joint operations in there trying to track down the uranium .

some of the wishful thinking on this thread is breathtaking, but this note on Saudi and bin Salmen wins first prize. That or grade A trolling!

Look at Cuba, a largely peaceful country that can't even import a piano....it's utterly disgusting to treat a country like that just because you don't like their politics.

@dwordle Cuba is largely peaceful because its opposition party is banned and protestors are imprisoned in appalling conditions - if they’re ever seen again, that is.

Iran a different ballgame, they are currently lobbing missiles at their neighbours who haven't attacked then. Surely you wouldn't advocate that Iran has nuclear weapons 🤔

Where to start.

1. Iran are not Iraq, completely different situation.

1. Iran isn't being 'carpet bombed '

'Where to start"? You started with point one and finished with point two, hardly a lengthy rebuttal. Neither of your points address why Iran has been earmarked for regime change when there are quite a few other oppressive governments in the world. When even Trump can't seem to make up his mind why the US started this illegal war how am I supposed to be convinced it's necessary or justified.

I wasn't drawing parallels between Iraq and Iran I was using Iraq as an example of our own government lied to us which is pretty clear in my post.

Tehran is being carpet bombed. Pete Hegseth is rather proud of the death and destruction the US air force is raining down.

Some people don't appear to know that the Saudi royal family is like a real life game of thrones.

It doesn't matter if the effect for the country and region is positive. It's not like he could have achieved anything by being a fluffy liberal.

Any sensible person would condemn the Saudi regime, at least in its internal policy.

But that tells us nothing about whether striking one of the world’s worst ever regimes, in Iran, is right or not.

Tehran is being carpet bombed

There's no evidence for that and language is everything.

"Carpet bombing" can be losely defined as putting multiple bombers (as in dozens if not hundreds) in formation/stream over a target and them dropping sticks of dumb bombs on a general area.

What we seem to be seeing.so far is evidence is strikes almost certainly caused using a relatively small amount of possibly guided munitions on selected areas such as oil refineries and other infrastructurr

I know it's produced some appalling images of smoke and damage, I doubt anyone likes what they see, but that doesn't automaticaly equate to "carpet bombing".

Yes it’s worth defining terms.

I picked a couple of points. Again, no carpet bombing going on, language is important so actually look up what carpet bombing is.

Iran is absolutely no different....