US strikes Iran

[mjf981]

In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

There’s some seriously shitty Stop The War-style propaganda on this thread.

I think what people who have grown up in the West often don’t understand is that people really do think differently from each other. We have this idea that if there’s a repressive regime it’s just the leaders and people close to them that like it and everyone else hates it and wants to be liberated.

I don’t agree with everything Belle says but her summing up on the history of Iran is absolutely right. Many ’ordinary’ people absolutely do support the current regime. It’s not the case that every single Iranian is waiting for the government to be overthrown and welcomes the US action.

When I first moved to the UAE I was astounded at how much all the Filipinos I met loved Duterte. From Western press you’d think the population hated him because of his human rights abuses. Wrong! I kept meeting men and women who approved and WANTED the very things I thought were awful. Shooting drug dealers was exactly what they wanted, their perception was he made the country much safer.

And that was my first lesson in how just because something is morally awful for us, doesn’t mean the people we think need rescuing agree they need rescuing.

There is, but at the end of the day what we chat about on MN doesn't have any impact whatsoever on world affairs.

If it is propaganda - which some of it sounds like propaganda - it is pretty wasted on here I think so you just have to let them get it out of their system 😂

It gets painted that way on here, 'that evil Israel picking on innocent people again telling the US what to do and trying to take over the world' that kind of thing often more subtle ways but sometimes not. The protesters were just there paid by the US they weren't really unhappy at all, just those evil ones, who left the country causing mischief for the esteemed leader again.. Pope like fluffy man, working people up. Nothing to see there at all.

She rejected the Soviets' offer of a pension,[2][3]and argued that her disclosures of classified work helped to avoid the possibility of a third world war involving the United States, Britain, and the Soviet Union.

@stirabout that’s a good excuse for being hand in glove with one of the most wicked regimes in history.

I have a bit of a soft spot for those silly old communists. For about 60 years they managed to send hundreds of thousands of reports to the USSR about everyday things - traffic lights, passenger ferries, apple harvests etc - along with their ‘insightful’ opinions on the UK political scene. And they made no difference whatsoever. Not a jot. Harmless old twits.

These comrades were mostly very, very dim but thought themselves terrifically clever. They just couldn’t see how gullible they were.

The intellectually brighter ones - like the Cambridge spies - were few and far between and more worrying. But despite sending a lot of brave men and women to their deaths in KGB torture rooms, ultimately they made no difference either.

What’s particularly striking is that the modern left carries on this absurd delusion that they’re very smart. It’s laughable.

You are taking this completely out of context
and interestingly and conveniently for you
haven’t even bothered to quote my entire post

moving on from half baked comments

@Stirabout
Have you seen the film Red Joan
a true story about Melita Norwood
It has a powerful message

This is the rest of your post - why is this relevant?

How can you miss it twice ??!!

Worth noting
When reading comments on a running tag it’s worth reading it all
otherwise comments are taken completely out of context and / or in isolation and won’t make sense

If you are interested in understanding the full recommendation you need to track back

< definitely done this time >

of note I am not advocating for world wide ownership of nuclear bombs

@stirabout is this the bit you’re complaining that I didn’t include? I can’t see what else I’ve missed.

We've heard it all before in Iraq, it was a lie. Iran didn't have any capacity to make a nuclear bomb....no where near it.

Facts remain....the war is illegal. Fact remains Netsnyahu has an arrest warrant against him, fact remains Israeli threat to use nuclear weapons against Gaza was made by a senior Israeli cabinet member.

I'm afraid the current Munroe Doctrine being lived out by the current American regime poses a significant risk to Europe and Britain. Which is why we should not support this war in any way at all.

America cant even agree why they started it

Its funny how you put such emphasis on facts in your post.

Yet at the same time present the view that Iran didn't have any capacity to make a nuclear bomb....no where near it as if that's a fact.

It isn't. You don't know how close Iran was to having the capacity to make a nuclear bomb, you don't know if they were no where near it, or relatively close to it.

If you're that bothered about facts then be a bit more careful in your own language and admit that some things are what you believe to be true, not what you know for a fact to be true.

Trump calling the Kurds into the conflict this morning.
I think they had enough suffering and involving them into this will just throw them into even more.

It really looks like Trump had not planned anything, whatsoever. Iran's government does not seem to be cracking and it does not look like there is an opposition set in Iran. It is all pointing at a long war, at the moment. It is early days, of course.

No idea if the calls for talks have yielded anything. I have not spotted any diplomatic attempts mentioned in the press.

I also think the earlier omission on the deaths by the Iranian regime means it’s a bit skewed.

Noted that they question how the West can justify the killing of civilians.

But don’t question how the Iranian regime can justify killing their own citizens in the thousands across a few days just for protesting.

The independent committee for the non proliferation of nuclear arms ....facts are from them....no evidence non what so ever...plain and simple fact. Meetings between Trumps administration and Iran....3 times.... regarded as insufficient....fact from official documents.....

Attack was done during talks....fact not fiction....war illegal....fact not fiction....war had nothing to do with nuclear weapons.....it was a regime change.

The reason Iran has struggled.... largely down to US sanctions.

Does the Iranian government treat it's population very well ...no it doesn't but you can invade a country based on that.

Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards (June 25) Growing concerns:

The draft for Thursday’s resolution highlights serious and growing concerns since at least 2019 that Iran had failed to cooperate fully with the UN agency’s inspectors.

Tehran has “repeatedly” been unable to explain and demonstrate that its nuclear material was not being diverted for further enrichment for military use, the draft text maintains.

Iran has also failed to provide the UN agency with “technically credible explanations for the presence of [man-made] uranium particles” at undeclared locations in Varamin, Marivan and Turquzabad, it continues.

“Unfortunately, Iran has repeatedly either not answered, or not provided technically credible answers to, the agency’s questions,” IAEA chief Grossi said on Monday. “It has also sought to sanitize the locations, which has impeded Agency verification activities.”

According to Mr. Grossi, Tehran has stockpiled 400 kilogrammes of highly enriched uranium.

“Given the potential proliferation implications, the agency cannot ignore [this],” he told the UN agency’s governing board on Monday.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

I think the Iranian regime had gone way beyond not treating its population very well @dwordle - talk about minimising!

@dwordlegiven international law protects the Iranian state not the people what do you think they should do?

I think slaughtering thousands of them for protesting is pretty poor and a little bit worse than 'not treating them very well. The minimising by some is off the scale

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002rwg5/political-thinking-with-nick-robinson-series-2-omid-djalili

This was on last week

@MushMonster USA have been arming the kurds for a long time for this. They Havant just rocked up without arms etc and no plans...it's been a long time in the planning.

Oh good, I’m so relieved to hear that… its all planned and being taken care of

www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2026/3/5/while-us-encourages-kurds-to-attack-iran-history-serves-darker-warning