US strikes Iran

[mjf981]

In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

How can you be sure of that? If you listened to the same person I’d like to hear why you’re so sure.

They have experienced the brutality from the regime, it’s their reality.

And ‘again’ I don’t think you made the case the first time tbf.

Really can you back that up? Do you listen to people speak on this?

Yes, I have many Iranian friends both in Iran and the West. I speak to them often. In fact I'm listening to an X space with many Iranians right now.

They love Iran, even though they may be disagree with how it's run sometimes, they believe that it's up to Iranians to change their government, not external forces.

We were trying to get one of our friends (a medical scientist) in Esfahan to leave last month and he was like nope, let them bomb us. Mind you the same friend has to ask people coming back to Iran from holiday to bring medicine as certain medications are sanctioned.

It is brutal but so is the entire middle east. Having worked there I've seen the crowds for public executions....it turned my stomach....but there are people in the UK would who would want a return to that. People can be savage, but there are those that aren't also

What you need to realise is things are they way they are and sometimes the worst thing to do it's try and undermine the other side. We had the same in the cold war.... constant espionage going off behind the scenes. You end up creating two sides highly untrusting working against each other. What happened when both sides opened up....things got better. The alternative was in the end someone stupid enough to go nuclear.

I'm Catholic, I've lived my childhood in violence in Northern Ireland. It helps no one, get you no where.....only way forward is to forgive and for peace.

I've lived in the Gulf and honestly that wasn't my experience. Law-abiding, extremely safe and very peaceful.

It's been jarring seeing these peaceful places at the receiving end of IRGC aggression.

They love Iran, even though they may be disagree with how it's run sometimes, they believe that it's up to Iranians to change their government, not external forces.

Iranians have tried protesting and they’re shot by the security forces. How can unarmed citizens succeed in changing their government when they’re against heavily armed and brutal security forces?

Of course. Iranians celebrating the death of a leader who has been in charge of a brutal regime for decades isn't really a surprise. You asked me to substantiate my claim that some Iranians would hate us more than the IRGC and I provided it. At no point did I claim they were all mourning the Ayatollah's death.

We agree about the brutal nature of the regime. Where we disagree is that you think it's so awful that something/anything would be better and my argument is that we do not have a plan for what comes next and if our previous experiments in regime change (including Iran in 1953) are anything to go by we could make things worse. In addition the attempt is signalling to brutal regimes everywhere that nuclear weapons are effective protection against US imperialism.

Naftali Bennett gave a speech recently claiming that Turkey is the new Iran; are they next for regime change.

Not just American

History is history
It can’t be changed by the people you know

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‘ In addition the attempt is signalling to brutal regimes everywhere that nuclear weapons are effective protection against US imperialism’

This is an extremely good point
This Israeli / US war could have far reaching long term consequences for the world

This still doesn’t change how people feel under a brutal regime.

I bet even you wouldn’t want it in preference to here would you? For your family too.

Well it's only being reported by Indian, Israeli and Iran International (Saudi funded London based outlet) but a new Ayatollah may have been selected today, Khamenei's son, a man who is potentially a lot more hardline and would have the power to issue a new Fatwa allowing Nuclear Weapons, there's also the issue of the missing/hidden 400kg of Uranium as well that Iran moved last year.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/us-israel-iran-war-news-live-udates-conflict-attack-middle-east-state-dubai-qatar-airways-of-emergency-explosions-tehran-gulf-countries-netanyahu-trump-us-ali-khamenei/liveblog/128959227.cms

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hyo11dnvt11x

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603030390

p.s. Not sure of this as I am sure he was reported killed yesterday.

I think it's highly likely to lead to nuclear proliferation if things don't escalate to the point that none of us survive this war.

We've bombed the borders to kill the border guards and there are plenty of terrorist organisations in the region so if we collapse the regime and don't have boots on the ground the residue of ISIS and similar will be able to help themselves to any munitions and military gear they can lay their hands on.

Have you seen the film Red Joan
a true story about Melita Norwood

It has a powerful message

She rejected the Soviets' offer of a pension,[2][3]and argued that her disclosures of classified work helped to avoid the possibility of a third world war involving the United States, Britain, and the Soviet Union

of note I am not advocating for world wide ownership of nuclear bombs

A Daughter, son in law, grandson and a daughter in law were killed that I know if from reports

Don't worry, he'll be dead very soon too.

@BelleHathor s post was about the history

your tag was about people you know and what they think now
which is irrelevant to the history

Yeah, this is Khamenei 2nd son, though as a previous poster has so charmingly said he'll most probably be dead soon 😐,

I wonder if rhetoric/threats like that are going to lead to a peaceful solution, Trumpian diplomacy.

It still doesn’t change the reality for the Iranian people speaking today. Of which there are many.

CNN on the Kurds:

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/03/politics/cia-arming-kurds-iran

But belle wasnt talking about today

Don't you understand that 😳

im giving up on explaining it now.

The US provided intelligence and funding to Saddam Husseins campaign against the Kurds with the knowledge he was using chemical weapons against them.

Now he’s using them for an insurrection.

Perhaps a ground offensive with the IDF is in the making here
Has Trump put the question into AI I wonder because it’s all sounding a bit ‘thrown together’ and last minute now

Didn't you hear? The protestors were all rioters sent by the evil west and even more evil Israel, Ali Khamenei was basically the Pope and the people who are happy he's dead are all horrible diaspora Iranians who don't count and were probably working for the Shah. That's what someone on mumsnet told me anyway...

The Royal Navy has six Type 45 destroyers which are designed for air defence but Defence Minister Vernon Coaker confirmed in January that only three are operational. Reports suggest that currently only one of them, HMS Duncan, is at sea off the UK, with the other two tied up alongside in HMNB Portsmouth.
The other three are at various stages of lengthy engine upgrade work, with HMS Daring - the lead ship of the class - having been out of action for almost nine years. ** NINE years.

Thanks Boris. But I didn't hear any protests from Labour or LibDems. A few token arguments but it was generally accepted that we could cut down on Defence spending. We wasted a £zillion on Aircraft carriers and a useless American tank. houses for service personnel were squalid.