US strikes Iran

[mjf981]

In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

Dragging more in and
shaming those who don’t.

when he doesn’t even have a plan
I wonder what Israel’s is
Its all been remarkably quiet on that front. Trump rarely mentions them only to deny he was dragged in too.

Exactly

I do wonder at the US sending more personal
I very much doubt they’ll be boots on the ground but we’ll wait and see

‘The State Department activated an emergency task force to secure American diplomatic facilities and assist United States citizens.

Earlier in the day, Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the U.S. military was bolstering its forces in the Middle East, sending more troops and fighter jets to the region.
“This work is just beginning and will continue,” he said, adding that when additional fighter jets arrive in the coming days the United States will be “just about where we want to be in terms of total combat capacity and total combat power.” He declined to say exactly how big that overall force would be.’

the NYTimes

You are right that Iran is not Irag or Afghanistan and I think that one of the problems we run into is a lack of cultural understanding. This is existential for Iran.

If an attempt at regime change is likely to make things worse then isn't the status quo the least worst option?

I've listened to many military people claiming to be experts over the last few years and whilst they are not in agreement in everything there are a few things they do seem to have a consensus about:

1. Iran is a natural fortress making ground invasion a suicide mission.
2. Regime change from the air has never been accomplished anywhere.
3. Control of territory is required to prevent insurgents filling a power vacuum.

I would note that despite the concerns expressed about human rights in Iran no one is suggesting something must be done about North Korea. I feel confident we can all agree things are pretty shit there too but KJU is a volatile and has nukes so we leave him alone. Macron spoke yesterday about increasing Frances nuclear capabilities. The message we are sending to the world is get nukes and everyone will leave you alone. This will only increase the number of people living under the rule of oppressive regimes and everyone will be too afraid to do anything about it. Our hubris makes us blind to the rule of unintended consequences.

I get his logic, Trump never takes responsibility for anything bad, the more people involved the more people to blame.

On Israel Netanyahu was on Fox News night saying that they struck Iran to save America from blackmail. I liked this comment from a social media influencer:

"Rubio earlier today said we had to get involved in the attack on Iran because Israel was going to strike without us…now Netanyahu on Hannity tonight is saying they struck Iran to save America from being blackmailed.

This is just like the AI circle jerk of ponzi finance.

It doesn’t make sense because it’s not supposed to make any sense."

The status quo is unendurable for many. And I can see why they say anything is better than this.

I get what you’re saying about a ground invasion and I think most don’t want that but where I question is who would they be fighting and what do they think?

It’s not needed for the small amount of leaders, they can be taken out by air. So are people envisaging it for army and police? We don’t know what they think do we?

Remember Afghanistan the army were trained and then folded immediately.

The reverse could be key here, who is to say what the multitude of people think when faced with street protestors. If the people can go to the street and not be killed because those who used to be ordered to stop them no longer do perhaps there’s a chance?

The status quo is too awful for too many.

🤣🤣

don’t think I, as cynical as I am of both Trump and Netanyahu, could have guessed this would happen

😂😅, Ah but you must possess something called self awareness and humility, sorely lacking with Trump.

I have been tracking this since Trump was inaugurated for the 2nd time and kept thinking he wouldn't be that stupid, would he? He knows American military reserves have been depleted from the Ukraine war.

I know that there are impartial and clever American patriots who know/knew exactly what would happen, however he surrounded himself with people like former Fox News anchor Pete Hegseth aka "Secretary of War" who said yesterday that America didn't attack Iran 😐.

Someone said Lindsay Graham got exactly what he wanted, War with Iran and Trump likely to lose and be impeached.

Amongst all the laughing emojis I haven’t seen any indication of the brutality Iranians suffer and what they should do.

The luxury of laughing away on mumsnet in the U.K. I suppose.

If the status quo is unendurable how will making it worse help? I can imagine if you are living through hell it would be hard to imagine things being worse but at the moment you are at risk of violent punishment from the regime if you express any dissent. The collapse of the regime would make people vulnerable to violence anywhere, all the time and supply of the essentials for survival would be unreliable.

Iran have planned for this, they knew it wasn't over last year. The speed with which they have identified a new ayatollah and replaced military commanders suggests they are able to sustain this war for longer than Israel or the US anticipated. It's the US who have reported asking for a ceasefire, Iran have refused. They know they are going to pay a high price but they are going to make sure everyone else does too.

We had been in Afghanistan for a long time. There was plenty of corruption and large numbers of ghost soldiers. We have not trained the Iranian military. As much a our media would like us to believe that the regime has no support it's simply not true. Even those who opposed the IRGC view the damage inflicted on their neighbours as a cautionary tale. We created the conditions for the regime they live under today so they may hate their government but many of them will hate us more.

@FOJN which it's why it's imperative that Iran is complety downgraded and USA looks like it can.
Putin has acted with impunity and has the entire world over a barrel .
We cannot allow it again .

The reason North Korea is left alone is because it's not threatening others and it has nukes.

Maybe it shouldn't be but maybe that's more a South Korea and China issue.

How do you know that? That last line. I haven’t heard that from any Iranian speaking over the past few days.

I can respond to the rest but initially where are you picking that up from?

@FOJN I don't doubt some Iranian people support the regime ,probably those few whom it actually benefits. However generally how on earth can you gage who supports the regime when it kills and imprisons those who don't support it like putin?
If I lived in Russia or Iran you can bet your bottom dollar id make anyone believe myself and my family adored the leaders and our servitude.

I know there was a war for years from Israel on Iran.

Explain to me in simple terms what happened at the weekend please.

Yes if I thought my eyes or those of my family might be gouged out or I could be killed what can be said or done?

I’d absolutely want some help at some point after decades of that.

Seems that "death to America" is still in fashion in Iran.

I asked AI to talk to me as if I am a child and explain to me what happened over the weekend. This is what it told me.

God, this is awful. Why did American get involved with Israel to make that war so much worse?

Of course you would but what if what replaced the regime did the same or worse.

Who was Iran threatening? They were participating in negotiations.

The only reason North Korea isn't threatening anyone is because no one is threatening them because they have nukes!

I agree. Would a lawless society where you couldn't find food or water and might be murdered for whatever resources you had make you feel free and liberated?

Did you see any of the celebrations recently?

Unfortunately our education system is woefully inadequate resulting in people who are historically illiterate.

Iranians in Iran are currently suffering due the maximum sanctions that have been imposed on them for decades, there are medications they can't obtain.

They're suffering due to supporting Palestine and refusing to acknowledge Israel or allow America to take advantage of their resources like the Shah did. Sanctions would be lifted in 10 seconds if they stopped supporting Palestine, so this isn't about "Women, Freedom....".

Why did the CIA overthrow Iran's first democratically elected leader in 1953, for daring to say lets share the profits of Iran's oil 50/50.

Do people ever ask themselves, why would left wing students join together with hardcore clerics to start a revolution in 1979? What happened before? Was it all sunshine and roses? What about SAVAK, the SHAH's secret police who imprisoned and tortured Iranians?
https://www.voanews.com/a/torture-still-scars-iranians-40-years-after-revolution/4774876.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/18/archives/savak-agent-describes-how-he-tortured-hundreds-trial-is-in-a-mosque.html

https://newint.org/features/1980/09/01/western

Declassified CIA documents:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp81m00980r000600050015-5

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp99-00498r000100150098-1

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88-01315r000300380055-1

Ex-pats always paint a story about how they were mistreated, which is good to listen to, However it must be critically asked who were they before they left?Were they part of the Shah's inner circle who took 10% bribes for deals in Iran? Were they part of Savak who tortured people? Are they part of the loud monarchists group some of who for 2+ years have gloated about how once they get Iran back they're going to close all the mosques? Did they ask a foreign country to bomb their own country resulting in many deaths?

It was the funeral of the 168 girls murdered at school in Iran today, there is a video of one of their brothers kissing a photo of his dead sister,
ask yourself with all impudence and rudeness: Why do they hate us?

Hmm at this. I can’t say your posts tally with the many Iranians I’ve heard speak passionately over their own situation.

Not a mner in the U.K. They are not ‘woefully inadequate’ at all.

Official figures state nearly a 1000 civilians have been killed. Experts state this is more than 2000 considering the scale of the air assault.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/02/civilian-deaths-in-iran-pass-200-amid-fear-of-bombs-and-regime-clampdown

There have also been civilian casualties in Lebanon now.

How can the west justify the killing of civilians, this wasn't a war until America illegally started one. Illegal being the important word.

Ukraine has been invaded and all we've done is buy oil and give weapons.

How can we decide to support Israel and yet not the Ukraine. There is some very murky logic going off and it strikes me as regime change rather than nuclear weapons. There were no nuclear weapons, no evidence that they were any nearer to getting one, no evidence they were rebuilding what was destroyed....this is all American lies.

I didn't call diaspora Iranians woefully inadequate, I said certain people are historically illiterate and through that they are unable to understand why Iranian's in Iran, 1 million of whom were attacked with/killed by Chemical weapons supplied to Saddam Hussein by America in 1980s may not want "Western Freedom" tm.

Perhaps, the majority of Iranian's don't want Onlyfans and other symbols of Western freedom. Perhaps they just want to be left alone.

Again you are watching the American propaganda machine at work there. You'll find both arguments in Iran....those for and those against.... doesn't change the fact that it's illegal, killing innocents and causing chaos and sowing more hate across the region.

If a bomb landed on your house taking your family I'm sure you'll be happy to support the person who ordered it. Loss changes your perspective and it becomes personal.

Killing people is a sin, doesn't matter what religion you follow. All sides need to stop the killing and sort it out....like adults...I say that but then children could probably do a better job putting it bluntly.