Girls at DD’s school cannot wear socks because men and boys feel uncomfortable

[Eastie77Returns]

DD’s school has placed a ban on girls wearing socks due to persistent issues with girls wearing skirts that are too short and not the school’s regulation kilts. According to the e-mail sent to parents, girls wearing socks with said short skirts has resulted in some “members of the school community” feeling uncomfortable. When the issue was raised further by some parents, the (male) Deputy made it clear that it was essentially unfair to male pupils, and presumably teachers, to be made to feel awkward when girls undergarments were visible to them. There have also been issues with boys making suggestive comments to girls in short skirts.

I support the school enforcing school uniform policy but hate the fact that 12 year old DD and her friends are already being policed as to what they can or cannot wear because…men. DD hates the thick black tights she now has to wear. She always wore the correct length skirt and knee high socks.

The situation will apparently be reviewed ahead of the warmer months. I just feel this reinforces the view that girls & women need to ensure they dress in a way that doesn’t attract male attention but boys are not learning that inappropriate comments and behaviour towards a girl because of the way she dresses is completely unacceptable.

But having sexual feelings and feelings of attraction to the opposite sex are completely normal.

I’m pretty sure the boys know they can’t just help themselves to women’s bodies, but they can’t be told to “control their sexual feelings” - especially when the females around them are scantily clad!

I regularly have feelings of attraction to men as I’m sure most other women do too.

I really don’t think teenagers (of either sex) should be made to feel that having sexual feelings/attraction to the opposite sex is wrong, or something they aren’t allowed to feel (which is insane, as it’s not something we have control over anyway).

The teenage girls know that by rolling up their skirts and showing off their legs/bums they are eliciting sexual feelings in the boys, and making the boys feel attracted to them - that’s why they do it. And that’s fine, there’s nothing wrong in wanting members of the opposite sex to find you attractive, but making out the boys are doing something wrong by feeling something complete natural, and out of their control, is very strange to me.

As long as the boys know they can’t just act on their urges (without consent) then that’s what’s important. They can’t be chastised for feeling attracted/aroused though.

At the crux of all this is quite simply the fact that neither sex should be made to feel uncomfortable in their school by some students having their bodies on show due to wearing their uniform appropriately.

That’s what needs to be dealt with.

So if a girl is purposely showing her knickers, the boy dare not have a single peek?

Biology is biology. Would you think it fine for your son or husband to be surrounded by women flaunting their underwear and just tell them ‘look away’, or would you wonder why these women were inappropriately dressed?

People can't control the existence of their sexual feelings, but they can control what they do about it.
The boys at school getting glimpses of female bums and genitalia while going about their normal school day will of course have sexual feelings aroused by this. It is hard wired. But presumably they do not go in for a fondle.
It will however make them feel uncomfortable and there is no need for the school to allow this situation.
The rule that all pupils should dress decently needs to be rigorously enforced for the purpose of making school a comfortable place to be.
Women do of course have the right to dress in a way that they know is sexually provocative, but they can't pretend that they do not know how this might make others feel. And parents of girls need to teach them to respect the feelings of others in all they do, including how they dress.

If its publicly on show they can look (its not really peeking is it? It's hardly non-consensual). They just need to learn to put the memory in the wank bank for later rather than make any inappropriate comments/actions there and then.

@Eastie77Returns People on this thread are being ridiculous! It seems they're making up scenarios and then getting outraged. It's not fair to punish the many when a few keep breaking the rules.

Just imagine a woman complaining to the police that a man flashed her and the response was well you shouldn't have looked.

I would think half the time its not sexual its more embarrassing and awkward, my son would regularly complain that he could see his teachers nipples- she didn’t wear a bra- and it was embarrassing for him.
i do teach my son to be a gentlemen but why teach my son to be a gentleman but not my daughters to be a lady?

Yes women, some teachers, have said they don't feel comfortable with it.

Teachers wasting their time with girls who won't do what they are told means all the kids miss out on their education.

What would happen if the teachers turned up in skirts so short everyone could see their knickers? Or should everyone just avert their eyes?

Exactly this, and yet still we get people saying "check the deputy's hard drive" and "they shouldn't have employed a paedophile", apparently never thinking it's allegations like this which create a major part of the discomfort

Bad enough when it's silly teenagers making these remarks, but on here they're presumably coming from mostly adult women ... and then some wonder why there's a teacher shortage

Maybe we need a poll for that!!

it’s mad that we can’t be embarrassed anymore or uncomfortable. If we are women are un-feminist and men are perverts.

I don't understand your post.

women + uncomfortable = unfeminist/don’t support women

men + uncomfortable = perverts.

we should be allowed to feel uncomfortable

hope that helps

Wearing nylon tights all day does not let one’s fanny breathe and creates a perfect environment for thrush. Reply saying their policy discriminates.

Trousers?

Fanny's needing air is a myth. You hopefully have pants on stopping air getting in.

A skort would solve this. At school I was always so paranoid that I would bleed through on my period so would wear shorts under my skirts. Having a short skirt was to fit in with the girls.

The socks issues is ridiculous. No ones batting a eyelid at a boy in shorts and knee high socks like in many private schools. Why? Because its not been sexualised. Girls shouldn't be punished for societies over sexualising of girls and school uniform. If you type in Google school boy you get references of a child attending school. Type in school girl and you get very different results but still the idea of a sexualised child which is gross.

Or change the uniform entirely to hoodie and joggers the kind of clothes everyone's very comfortable wearing outside of school. There really is no need for most to "practice" wearing "workwear" for years on end.

The socks issues is ridiculous. No ones batting a eyelid at a boy in shorts and knee high socks like in many private schools. Why? Because its not been sexualised.

I think you’ve misinterpreted the issue with the socks here @MightyGoldBear?
The issue isn’t the socks themselves. The school wants tights as some girls are wearing their skirts too short and flashing their underwear. They want them to cover up.

* No ones batting a eyelid at a boy in shorts and knee high socks like in many private schools. Why? Because its not been sexualised.*

The reason no-one bats an eyelid at this is because you cannot see the boys' underwear or glimpses of their genitalia because they have shorts on. When a girl is wearing a very short skirt it is a totally different view.

It is nothing to do with it not being sexualised - there is nothing for anyone to see so there is no problem.

Apologies I thought they were going in at the socks! In my defence im sleep deprived

But tights don't solve the issue either 🙈 surely it's either shorts or trousers or just tackle the girls that are consistently rolling up skirts to ridiculous non existent lengths. Not a blanket ban for everyone.

Breathable tights if your vagina and/or vulva is susceptible to thrush. Lots of products out there.

I hate tights myself - so, trousers!

We did have that - she used to do a Marylin when the wind blew (skirt was mid thigh I guess)- she also liked to flirt and giggle with the Dads in serious meetings about your child. And nothing happened, she was the deputy head. Of course she still liked to have a go at a child who turned up without the correct uniform.
Schools are full of it - bloody rules for rules sake. Miserable places.

Because we know the that kids from chaotic homes make these decisions about their daughters

Huh? Kids making decisions about their daughters?!