Labour isn't working - Thread 26

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙🩵

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Haha I haven’t watched that for ages. I’ve encountered enough Labour BS today to last me for a while.

Maybe we all need a drink together and a big blow out. I’m in London it’s mostly Labour.

As a 'Conservative' what really annoys me is how posters and people in general, conflate this shower of 'shit' with the last Government. The, usual posts along the lines that I thought this Labour Government would be better or not as bad.

What posters and people don't understand Politically Conservative People do not set out to destroy or revolutionize a country from a dream from the Sixth Form Common Room while smoking pot !

Hence, the last Government had no 'Malign' intent to harm the United Kingdom they were just not very good. This current Government and the Labour Party in general is malignant towards this country all the way from the Steward at the Labour Club to Starmer himself !

It's from Dorking. I don't recognise the panel

Apparently Starmer is schmoozing about 100 MPs at Chequers tonight to try not to lose control of his party. Times Radio.

The Jim Pickard FT shows Starmer knew Mandelson stayed at Epstein’s apartment. It was raised before he was appointed. How is Starmer getting away with that?

@EasternStandard it's not a Labour area here so I'm not quite sure why I'm having this experience

If they cut the schmoozing budget, would we get better politicians? I mean it should be cut generally because it's just such a piss take. But I'm also wondering about the type of person that's been attracted to politics, going back way before the expenses scandal.

or would we just get terribly earnest types who still don't know anything (as per this current lot).

another interesting point made by Robert Jenrick on Triggernometry - Francis raised the point I raised here about the terror of vaccine passports and how people must be pissed off about Nadim Zahawi being taken on by Reform. Robert said that whatever you think of the vaccine rollout and everything surrounding it, you can't deny it was efficient. I don't know if that says more about Zahawi or if it just says that the government are capable of being efficient when they want to be.

But all the relevant civil servants were being efficient as well, I guess?

I'd be in the throes of norovirus if I'd been expected to attend. I'm not that good an actor.

@redange agree

Sickening isn't it.
Starmer supporting MPs, aka those who owe their jobs to McSweeney are the biggest caucus still, and there are around 100 of them. Presumably thats who he is schmoozing tonight so they don't bin him off.

He won't get away with it, they just don't have an alternative because the Labour front bench is devoid of any talent. How pathetic is it that Starmer is their best shot. The public decide who rules, not these grifters. Tick tock.

It was ever thus. Some are still convincing themselves that this govt are better than the last. By what metric, I don't know.
This is why Labour rarely get into power, and when they do, they fuck it up. They then have to wait for a new generation of voters who don't remember their last stint before they get voted in again.

They said as much on today’s Planet Normal podcast.

I suppose there must be some thinking - why wait for May for the inevitable drubbing that is nailed on at this stage? Probably all that’s really holding them back is the idea that three months is long enough for the honeymoon of the successor to be over.

Campbell always looks at the betting odds. Interesting times ahead…

Yesterday's FON poll.

Depressing to see him feel he’s come through this today. He’s so unprincipled and lacking. But maybe it won’t last.

The main two contenders will likely keep their WhatsApp or whatever going and building war chests.

I think it will be May @EasternStandard, but anything extra could topple him now. Its untenable.

I listened to John McDonald on Times earlier. He said there should be an interim caretaker in No.10 to hold the reins, whilst Labour toddle off and indulge in a full root and branch reform of the party. Presumably he thinks they should then be allowed to come back and govern when they've had a little rest and a think.
My jaw was on the floor!

The sheer arrogance and sene of entitlement!

Oh, good grief, I've just checked - you're right. I wonder how many people I've inadvertently and inappropriately kissed?😱

The regulars in our local have an agreement not to discuss politics. In the current climate, that might or might not be a good thing, but it's boring.

@DancingFerretfor light relief after this horrible Labour day what did you think it was? 😬

😂😂
I thought you were just spreading the love.
Back atcha 😘 😂

@EasternStandard I was going to ask @DancingFerret the same question!

The good news is apparently it's less intimate than 😘

I mean, I don't mind anyone blowing kisses around here but I'm not quite sure who else has been sent them by @DancingFerret

I thought it was a wry smile.😳 (DH is in stitches.)

I'm trying to figure out if there is a wry smile emoji

Interestingly, only appears in conjunction with a cat. So the emoji people are attributing more emotions to cats than humans? Actually, in a way, that seems quite fair 😹

I tried watching QT. Nope. I lasted 5 minutes.

Fiona Bruce trying to spread some of the blame for Mandy to the tories and Reform with gotcha questions! They didn't employ him ffs, Labour did. Nothing to do with any of the other parties. 🤬

I listened to the whole thing. I should have gone to bed with a book.

As I watched, I realised that a lot of the public and politicians see government as all about public services. And how to increase them. Everyone seems to think the country is richer than it actually is. Far too many people feel entitled to more than we can produce.

This is really scary. I lived in developing countries in the 1980s and 1990s, on different continents. Despite vastly different cultures, they all technically had laws and statutes giving generous rights to workers that couldn’t be enforced and were ignored for practicality, health systems that everyone had a right to, but were falling apart, etc. It’s very obvious that just making a rule, doesn’t make it so if you can’t afford it.

We are promised the moon on a stick, but we actually get very little. I don’t think it will get better until there is some realism. There is just no hope of improvement with do many entitled, deluded people.

@TheNuthatch that sounds bizarre
Even a contortionist can't make that stretch! What's it got to do with the other parties?

@Pacificsunshine didn't Gordon Brown say it was the responsibility of the state to provide employment?

I think people expect too much as well. This is another view I never express in real life. Even creep to the edges of it and people get very angry.