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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 11:48

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 11:42

I can't wrap my head around the boxing day tweets. If they were determined to bring this POS to the UK, why draw attention to it, and why affiliate the PM to this man?
None of it makes any sense.

They had a range of celebs pushing for this too. The usual crowd on that score.

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 11:55

EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 11:48

They had a range of celebs pushing for this too. The usual crowd on that score.

My heart sank when I read Judi Dench's name on that list :-(

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EmeraldRoulette · 30/12/2025 12:11

@TheNuthatch trying to catch up with this story must be very difficult

I would summarise it as

Prime Minister posts about return of AAEF as if it is a joyful occasion

Journalists and ordinary people obviously want to know why this is something to be pleased about - a big deal to warrant a tweet on Boxing Day right?

AAEF has open social media showing his beliefs, many people find this concerning, to the extent that within hours of the PM's post, AAEF is deleting lots of stuff because people are screenshotting and posting on X

Quick bit of research uncovers involvement with Tories and Labour over a long period of time

The concerns of many are reflected by social media posts, many by verifiable individuals who aren't just posting as bots

people start to question why both Tories and Labour were heavily involved in diplomatic efforts to get AAEF given British citizenship/ get out of prison.

AAEF apologises and for some people that will be enough. I am not one of those people.

I believe there is a lot more to this than a PR disaster. But I also think this is a PR disaster of a kind which no disaster management technique is going to help!

I haven't read Kemi's statement. I wish the Tories would keep quiet as they are so heavily involved, but I suppose it doesn't feel like an option. Robert Jenrick needs to quieten down I think. not a great moment to try and score political points.

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strawberrybubblegum · 30/12/2025 12:51

Badenoch doesn't seem to have issued a statement yet. I'd like to know her position and viewpoint - and what she knows - but I do really like that she's presumably taking the time to figure things out before responding.

We desperately need thoughtful, considered politics - not this shooting-from-the hip, say-anything that most politicians seem to now practice.

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 13:18

EmeraldRoulette · 30/12/2025 12:11

@TheNuthatch trying to catch up with this story must be very difficult

I would summarise it as

Prime Minister posts about return of AAEF as if it is a joyful occasion

Journalists and ordinary people obviously want to know why this is something to be pleased about - a big deal to warrant a tweet on Boxing Day right?

AAEF has open social media showing his beliefs, many people find this concerning, to the extent that within hours of the PM's post, AAEF is deleting lots of stuff because people are screenshotting and posting on X

Quick bit of research uncovers involvement with Tories and Labour over a long period of time

The concerns of many are reflected by social media posts, many by verifiable individuals who aren't just posting as bots

people start to question why both Tories and Labour were heavily involved in diplomatic efforts to get AAEF given British citizenship/ get out of prison.

AAEF apologises and for some people that will be enough. I am not one of those people.

I believe there is a lot more to this than a PR disaster. But I also think this is a PR disaster of a kind which no disaster management technique is going to help!

I haven't read Kemi's statement. I wish the Tories would keep quiet as they are so heavily involved, but I suppose it doesn't feel like an option. Robert Jenrick needs to quieten down I think. not a great moment to try and score political points.

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Yes, its been a head scratcher this morning trying to catch up. None of it makes any sense.

Thank you for that summary, much appreciated. Everything I've read seems to put a massive slant on this story. Your posts have been more informative that anything I've found elsewhere.

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ProfessorIDareSay · 30/12/2025 13:20

strawberrybubblegum · 30/12/2025 12:51

Badenoch doesn't seem to have issued a statement yet. I'd like to know her position and viewpoint - and what she knows - but I do really like that she's presumably taking the time to figure things out before responding.

We desperately need thoughtful, considered politics - not this shooting-from-the hip, say-anything that most politicians seem to now practice.

I saw a statement from Kemi on Facebook I think; will try and find...

ProfessorIDareSay · 30/12/2025 13:23

From Kemi yesterday:

"Two things can be true at the same time.
First, Alaa Abd El-Fattah, the former prisoner, should have received a free and fair trial in Egypt. The long years of detention, the suffering of his family, and the lack of due process are not things any democracy should be comfortable with. There ends my sympathy.
There is a second truth. The comments he made on social media about violence against Jews, white people and the police, amongst others, are disgusting and abhorrent.
They were also anti-British, which begs the question how officials rubber-stamped this application without escalating to then Home Secretary.
The Home Secretary should now look at all possible options, including whether his citizenship can be revoked and he can be removed from Britain.
British citizenship is more than a passport. It means subscribing to our values. Our country is our home not a hotel. But let’s ask ourselves how this mad situation occurred.
Celebrities campaigned for his release as Western politicians, various media outlets, and human rights organisations helped sanitise El-Fattah’s story. I was only aware of his case in passing when discussed in parliament and on the news.
El-Fattah was always presented as a symbol of democratic resistance. It’s now clear from the comments which emerged that many who were supporting him had brushed aside his own published political views, including explicit endorsements of violence.
Those views were not obscure in those circles. They were serious enough to cost him a major European human rights award years ago.
It is one thing to work for someone’s release from prison if they’ve been treated unfairly as previous governments did. It is quite another to elevate them, publicly and uncritically, into a moral hero.
The British government did not just work quietly for his release, it rushed to celebrate it: our Prime Minister expressed ‘delight’.
This rush to moral posturing has consequences. Firstly, it risks validating the narrative of Western unseriousness. Middle Eastern authorities have repeatedly expressed concerns about the kid gloves with which the West treats extremists who are not allowed to operate within their borders.
There is a deeper problem here which I have spoken and written about frequently.
Too many people now enter Parliament to act as activists and campaigners, not as legislators. This is not about doing the work of a Foreign Secretary on consular cases, or about campaigning for real human rights victims like Jimmy Lai, it is about those who prioritise virtue-signalling over due-diligence.
Those who push colleagues to act quickly, publicly, and emotionally, without doing the hard work of scrutiny that governing actually requires. It is why we have Prime Minister and Home Secretary who signed letters to stop the deportation of foreign rapists and murderers.
That culture in our parliament has consequences. Yes, it is mostly on the left, but let’s be honest, all parties indulge in this nonsense, including on occasion the Conservatives. I recall senior figures in Reform UK, including David Jones, at the time a Tory MP, leading the charge for El-Fattah’s release in Parliament.
It is inconceivable that no one saw Alaa Abd El-Fattah’s published statements over the years. Ten years ago, some people may have dismissed comments advocating the killing of Jews as offensive but unserious, or merely loose talk. After 7 October 2023, that excuse no longer exists. We now live in a very different world.
Since October 7, we have seen a sharp rise in the intimidation and terrorising of Jewish communities. We have seen antisemitic rhetoric translate into real-world harm with violence and murder in Manchester, in Bondi Beach, and elsewhere. In that context, calls for violence against Jews cannot be brushed aside.
I do not want people who hate Britain coming to our country. And where such views are part of an individual’s public record, they must be considered when decisions are taken about citizenship. We have been too complacent for too long.
Another serious problem is that there will be junior officials and decision-makers within parts of the Civil Service who hold these views, or see nothing wrong with them. Some will have absorbed an activist mindset that treats antisemitism as contextual, or worse, morally right. That is unacceptable. This ideology must be rooted out of our institutions.
This case also illustrates a broader Conservative point. When the state tries to do too many things, especially in complex areas like foreign affairs, it often fails to do the most important things well.
We do not currently have a system that consistently applies the level of due diligence that today’s security environment demands because we are spending a lot of time getting involved in things we have no capacity for.
Conservatives under my leadership will do things differently. I have already changed our policy, making it tougher to get British citizenship, but more must be done. Citizenship decisions must be grounded in rigorous assessment, not box-ticking.
They must take account of social media activity, public statements, and patterns of belief. And they must be guided by a clear test of whether granting citizenship is conducive to the public good.
That is the lesson of this case. And it is one we intend to act on.
My words in the Daily Mail."

38thparallel · 30/12/2025 13:31

They were also anti-British, which begs the question how officials rubber-stamped this application without escalating to then Home Secretary.

I think civil servants in charge of this knew perfectly well but decided not to tell senior politicians.
’The long march through the institutions’ is bearing fruit in any number of ways.

EmeraldRoulette · 30/12/2025 14:46

@38thparallel yes I mentioned Marc Sidwell's book re the long march, I haven't read it though

It does really feel like 2020 onwards was where it all starts to really show, the fruition I mean. I do think some politicians knew. I don't think they are that much at the mercy of civil servants.

One Liberal Democrat has admitted to signing a letter and having expected everyone else to do the due diligence. I find that extraordinary. I also find the tone of her post quite incredible. She seems to think it's perfectly acceptable to just sign stuff off in this way. I'm wondering if this is real.

x.com/SarahLudford/status/2005445225637200140

strawberrybubblegum · 30/12/2025 15:16

Thanks @ProfessorIDareSay !

That's a really good letter. I wish she was our PM.

CambridgeSingers · 30/12/2025 15:53

Greetings! Staggering into the new year festivities here - good letter from Kemi. It’s definitely a confusing and complex issue.

EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 17:17

Interesting Dale Vince interview on LBC. Incredible. He made some awful comments on SM imo about Bondi but he’s unhappy with Labour’s reaction to that. He is tbc on donating again to Labour, his words.

Sarahconnor1 · 30/12/2025 18:30

Government approval rating down to 12%

Labour isn't working - Thread 24
EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 18:42

Sarahconnor1 · 30/12/2025 18:30

Government approval rating down to 12%

Good. They deserve it.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 30/12/2025 19:30

TBH I’m surprised it’s at 12%.

I can’t believe the cat botherers make up 12% of the population. And there can’t be many others.

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 19:49

Sarahconnor1 · 30/12/2025 18:30

Government approval rating down to 12%

Well deserved.
They only have the die-hards left now.

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redange · 30/12/2025 20:07

There, still seem to be 'Die Hard' supporters on this site, if you look at two threads. One, poster suggesting all the bad news and perception about the Government being done to the Right Wing media bias. Another, poster stating adamantly that Kier Starmer was a honest man with some really good ideas.

I will not post a link to these threads, in the same way we do not want the 'rabble' on here posting. However, the difference is our grouping would not post on their threads in the name of being 'virtuous' ...

EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 20:13

redange · 30/12/2025 20:07

There, still seem to be 'Die Hard' supporters on this site, if you look at two threads. One, poster suggesting all the bad news and perception about the Government being done to the Right Wing media bias. Another, poster stating adamantly that Kier Starmer was a honest man with some really good ideas.

I will not post a link to these threads, in the same way we do not want the 'rabble' on here posting. However, the difference is our grouping would not post on their threads in the name of being 'virtuous' ...

Yes it’s a bit June ‘24 on here atm. I suppose borrowing excessively brings about some spending, it might drop again when that runs out.

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 20:22

redange · 30/12/2025 20:07

There, still seem to be 'Die Hard' supporters on this site, if you look at two threads. One, poster suggesting all the bad news and perception about the Government being done to the Right Wing media bias. Another, poster stating adamantly that Kier Starmer was a honest man with some really good ideas.

I will not post a link to these threads, in the same way we do not want the 'rabble' on here posting. However, the difference is our grouping would not post on their threads in the name of being 'virtuous' ...

I hear you. I've been reading the same threads. I can't be bothered anymore. Poor Eastern is out there, fighting the good fight on her own most days. 🤣
I nearly spat my tea when I saw a post claiming that inflation had come down under Labour! They're also in denial about unemployment numbers and insolvancies it seems. Lots of misinformation and disinformation coming from the left these days.
I've also noticed a deafening silence from those who usually patrol MN for racism and xenophobia. They have nothing to say about AAEF. Funny that.

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EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 20:24

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 20:22

I hear you. I've been reading the same threads. I can't be bothered anymore. Poor Eastern is out there, fighting the good fight on her own most days. 🤣
I nearly spat my tea when I saw a post claiming that inflation had come down under Labour! They're also in denial about unemployment numbers and insolvancies it seems. Lots of misinformation and disinformation coming from the left these days.
I've also noticed a deafening silence from those who usually patrol MN for racism and xenophobia. They have nothing to say about AAEF. Funny that.

Haha ik why bother. There’s are a few others who are doing more but that pro Labour stuff just rolls over you at this stage.

TheNuthatch · 30/12/2025 20:29

Do we think there will be another Labour reset in the new year? I can't wait 😬

How many resets is that now, 5, 6? I've lost count 😂

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EasternStandard · 30/12/2025 21:17

Idk. Even if Labour were on 2% approval rating you’d still get posters accusing anyone not Labour being paid / intern whatever.

It’s bonkers, mn is nuts on this. So much Labour.

Parsley4321 · 30/12/2025 21:20

@EasternStandard that complete chump Vince jeez what a traitor

Legolava · 31/12/2025 00:51

The level of gaslighting from the same names is off the scale. No-one absolutely no-one will ever convince me that VAT on school fees is a good idea. HOW, HOW is taxing any form of education beneficial. Clue, it’s not, which is why we are an outlier. It’s a good policy. What is? Making the social divide even bigger and private schools being completely elitist for the very rich. Absolutely nuts.

I think even if you got crayons out to colour it with pictures, people still wouldn’t see that glaring challenge. That’s because it comes from spite. I can’t have it so why should they. Having seen the damage cutbacks have done to children in the state sector who need outreach. I cannot see one positive. I am a bit sick of retired public sector workers thinking they know what it’s actually like now. I think they’d be in for a rude awakening if they shared their pro Labour positives in our staff room.

EasternStandard · 31/12/2025 06:55

I hear you @Legolavait’s ridiculous.

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