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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 02/01/2026 08:59

Messier61 · 02/01/2026 08:51

The case of an alleged Egyptian extremist who was welcomed to Britain by Sir Keir Starmer became a “running joke” among Downing Street advisers, a former No 10 aide has revealed.

Paul Ovenden said the case of Alaa Abd el-Fattah was “a totem of the ceaseless sapping of time and energy by people obsessed with fringe issues” and demonstrated “the sheer weirdness of how Whitehall spends its time”.

Sir Keir Starmer welcomed the Egyptian activist, who labelled British people “dogs and monkeys” and called for Zionists to be killed, to Britain last month.

Interesting.

Has he made any suggestions about who knew what about AAEF?

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Messier61 · 02/01/2026 09:02

TheNuthatch · 02/01/2026 08:59

Interesting.

Has he made any suggestions about who knew what about AAEF?

No specifics in the article, no, but it appears that Cooper has been tasked with attempting to bury the story, anyway.

TheNuthatch · 02/01/2026 09:04

Messier61 · 02/01/2026 09:02

No specifics in the article, no, but it appears that Cooper has been tasked with attempting to bury the story, anyway.

Thanks.

Its so frustrating. I don't think we'll ever get to the truth.

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EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 09:12

Messier61 · 02/01/2026 09:02

No specifics in the article, no, but it appears that Cooper has been tasked with attempting to bury the story, anyway.

I bet

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 02/01/2026 09:13

strawberrybubblegum · 02/01/2026 08:23

Isn't it just trying to stake an ownership claim on UK-ness? Similar to Kier draping himself in flags when the flags protests started?

I think they genuinely don't understand what the movement is about, and they're just reacting.

But I haven't seen the fireworks. Is there more to it?

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I found the Wicked thing a bit strange.

I didn't realise it was that culturally significant.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise you meant one particular aspect.

Messier61 · 02/01/2026 09:15

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 02/01/2026 09:13

I found the Wicked thing a bit strange.

I didn't realise it was that culturally significant.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise you meant one particular aspect.

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I must confess to being completely lost on this one….

TheNuthatch · 02/01/2026 09:44

Trying very hard to keep my powder dry here for the sake of our thread. 😇🤐😂

There's a lot on SM about the fireworks.
The right are up in arms, the left are celebrating, so more division.
Just seen a thread in AIBU about the display with 'FU Reform and Tommy' in the title. I haven't read that thread as I need to get on with my day, but the title speaks volumes.

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redange · 02/01/2026 10:21

Happy New Year 34 hours Late :

Apparently a number of flags were barely visible, this being the excuse used for the completely intentional removal of the 'Star Of David' from the Israel flag. The, explanation from the London Mayor office being Argentina's flag was similarly barely visible. We all know this to be blatant antisemitism, yet they can hide being mistakes.

Is anyone aware of the uprising in Iran, which is starting to get interesting because the IGRC have not as yet instituted a brutal crackdown. This, possibly means they have lost the support from their subordinates and have suffered numerous Police and Army defections to support Reza Pahlavi.

There, seems to be very little coverage in the mainstream, despite this potentially being one of the biggest stories of the year !

redange · 02/01/2026 10:23

Behind mistakes.

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 10:27

TheNuthatch · 02/01/2026 09:44

Trying very hard to keep my powder dry here for the sake of our thread. 😇🤐😂

There's a lot on SM about the fireworks.
The right are up in arms, the left are celebrating, so more division.
Just seen a thread in AIBU about the display with 'FU Reform and Tommy' in the title. I haven't read that thread as I need to get on with my day, but the title speaks volumes.

I didn’t watch them, we get an amazing show due to position and a whole skyline of fireworks, makes me teary every time 😀

And no poxy agendas, just sight and the rumbling echo.

But I’ve seen the reactions and the thread on here and it reminds me of Labour’s last pledge to ‘rub their noses in it’ and look how that turned out.

whataguddle · 02/01/2026 12:42

Messier61 · 02/01/2026 09:02

No specifics in the article, no, but it appears that Cooper has been tasked with attempting to bury the story, anyway.

It’s despicable!
Every day it gets worse with this government.
Trying to not read too much news as it depresses me.
Saw the fireworks on tv and thought they were dreadful …it’s a sad state of affairs can only hope Khan is ousted!

justasking111 · 02/01/2026 14:04

redange · 02/01/2026 10:21

Happy New Year 34 hours Late :

Apparently a number of flags were barely visible, this being the excuse used for the completely intentional removal of the 'Star Of David' from the Israel flag. The, explanation from the London Mayor office being Argentina's flag was similarly barely visible. We all know this to be blatant antisemitism, yet they can hide being mistakes.

Is anyone aware of the uprising in Iran, which is starting to get interesting because the IGRC have not as yet instituted a brutal crackdown. This, possibly means they have lost the support from their subordinates and have suffered numerous Police and Army defections to support Reza Pahlavi.

There, seems to be very little coverage in the mainstream, despite this potentially being one of the biggest stories of the year !

I haven't seen anything about Iran. I'll have a nosey

EmeraldRoulette · 02/01/2026 16:45

I don't really look at mainstream media

So I was surprised to hear that they weren't reporting on Iran

why wouldn't they report on that? That strikes me as a bit odd

I've reached the stage where instability anywhere worries me in terms of what we will be asked to get involved in.

justasking111 · 02/01/2026 20:09

I've just popped into Twitter. Search #Iran. Wow the videos tell the story

redange · 02/01/2026 20:40

By Curious 'accident' I found myself on the website of Benenden school and until you see it £19,671 a term in writing you kind of don't realize how 'astronomical' the whole Private school thing has become. £60 K a year without trips learning instruments, uniform etc. Of course a good '12' K a year is down to Reeves, no words can be said about her. Niece no 1 left a similar Public school 7 years ago which at £40 K I thought was 'steep' especially as mum and dad paid the first two years. Anyway, firstly stupid DH has touted Public School for Sixth form to DD 1 despite having to make 25 people redundant 'next week' ( fortunately DD'1 is not in the bit interested despite the incident two weeks ago where she was rounded on for being Prep School educated)

Secondly, I do remember Benenden School was very active trying to help 'Govern' a struggling Secondary School In Kent John Wallis Academy. There, seems to be no mention on the Website now about John Wallis. Thus, in the current light of hostility to Private Schools, have Benenden thrown the towel in with John Wallis in Ashford which would be another stain on this appalling Government. However, for them it would be just what Bridget ordered widening the gap between Private and State Schooling to be as wide as the Grand Canyon !

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 21:51

justasking111 · 02/01/2026 20:09

I've just popped into Twitter. Search #Iran. Wow the videos tell the story

I’m not on there but it sounds really concerning.

EmeraldRoulette · 02/01/2026 23:18

@EasternStandard if you're curious, Tousi TV is covering it on YouTube. I think he was mostly raised in Iran as a child, but I'm not 100% sure.

I gather women are removing their head coverings in the street.

Trump is obviously taking it very seriously, implying that they're prepared to intervene if any protesters come to harm.

Another reason I'm not paying much attention - as well as being worried that we will be asked to intervene - is that it's not unusual for these green shoots to appear in these sorts of countries and then it all just goes horribly wrong.

Anyway, I hope the protestors are all okay - desperate times etc. Apparently, inflation is so bad there, it's a case of carrying cash around in trolleys.

Messier61 · 03/01/2026 00:06

Another corker in the FT - oh how the FT have performed a volte face after backing Labour in the run up to the 2024 GE…

Regicide is in the air, even though Labour’s rule book makes it hard to remove a leader. Predictions for May have Labour in third place in Wales and in Scotland, where its resurgence only two years ago was key to winning the general election.

In England, many of its councillors fear local losses. Downing Street is so frit that it has taken the outrageous and anti-democratic step of delaying four mayoral elections and giving 63 councils the chance to postpone local elections. Even with such gerrymandering, the strength of polling for Reform UK means that Starmer has at best five months to explain what his government is for.

His New Year message promising to defeat “decline and division” would be more convincing if that wasn’t what his government has wrought. Repeated U-turns on domestic policy have kept him in office but not in power, even though some reversals — most recently on inheritance tax for farmers — have been a welcome admission that the policy was ill-conceived.

Regaining the initiative would require a radical move: opening negotiations to rejoin the EU customs union, perhaps, or implementing dramatic reforms to asylum. It has not helped Starmer that he often looks as though the government is being run as a riposte to Nigel Farage, rather than because it believes in anything.

The Labour Party are deluded if they think their unpopularity is not 100% their fault. Every big decision they take, they U-turn on, except tax rises. Every time you think you can get on with your life and not worry about further changes, they return to rob you again and again. They have no plan to reduce taxes, no credible plan to improve public services and no ability to force through any difficult decision. They are a ghost ship of a party sailing towards shipwreck beach in 2029.

Messier61 · 03/01/2026 00:11

The Labour Party are a juvenile party of spite and envy. To go after farmers and those who send their children to private school is proof. They have fanned the flames of cultural tensions with the double standards on grooming gangs and also social media tweets (Connolly / The Egyptian).

On financial matters they lied repeatedly, with the plagiarist and fantasist Chancellor taking taxes to all time highs whilst claiming freebies at any opportunity.

Their complete lack of probity which would have them sacked if they worked in the City - special mention for Starmer, Rayner, Haigh, Siddiqui, Rushanara Ali.

There is not one thing I can point to which has been beneficial to society.

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 08:36

The FT did back them, and various others. Whilst I’m very glad they are no longer doing that there’s a hefty I told you so to all those with fingers in their ears in June 24

TheNuthatch · 03/01/2026 09:10

I enjoyed reading that FT piece, in particular the line about decline and division.
Good to see that the FT has seen the light, took them a while didn't it. They did themselves no favours backing this shower pre-election. I think Labour only have The Mirror left now.

I see the boss of Iceland has received a peerage. I hope he's enjoying his tax rises.

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EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 09:15

TheNuthatch · 03/01/2026 09:10

I enjoyed reading that FT piece, in particular the line about decline and division.
Good to see that the FT has seen the light, took them a while didn't it. They did themselves no favours backing this shower pre-election. I think Labour only have The Mirror left now.

I see the boss of Iceland has received a peerage. I hope he's enjoying his tax rises.

Oh he got his reward, I hope the warm glow of being bought is enough, even he remarked on NI rise

He criticised an increase to national insurance contributions (NICs) from April that he said had “added greatly to the cost of business”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/17/six-out-of-10-iceland-boss-labour-backer-richard-walker-grades-uk-government

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