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Bondi beach mass shooting

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habin · 14/12/2025 10:00

Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:32

Manova14 · 15/12/2025 05:29

Why are some people so eager to deflect attention from Islamic terrorism? "Nothing to see here", well normal people can see it clearly.

Agreed.

And it doesn’t wash anymore.

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 07:33

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/12/2025 07:27

Sadly not. Anders Breivik considered himself Christian.

Oh dear. The odd one. How many jihadi attacks have we had since?! I think it is safe to say jihadi attacks make up the majority of atrocities committed.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 07:33

NewmumOct · 15/12/2025 00:14

I guess many countries could use this similar arguement to defend genocide.You killed us first so i know, we will just start wiping you all out.

Why don't they target Hamas only? Let me guess hamas are using Palestinians as human shields.

How can Isreal target Hamas only (plus the other groups/ people who joyfully joined the attack on October 7th) if they’re firmly embedded amongst civilians?

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 07:33

Re the Bondi terrorism attack

I'm not anti Muslim (the guy who tackled the shooter was a Muslim!) but Islamic fundamentalism is so obviously the problem here. Not sure why you wouldn't admit that. It's not bigoted, it's facts.

??? You’ve mixed me up with someone else I think. I’ve never disputed the facts of what occurred yesterday at Bondi. Don’t put words in my mouth.

@Manova14

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:35

I can’t believe you said that, I really can’t.

But I won’t report it.

echt · 15/12/2025 07:37

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Seriously? Give your head a wobble.

"Playing a card" in these terms means a cynical claiming of some "offence" given. It's rare like victim-blaming. Your "not saying" it then going on to claim that perpetuating the idea is not helpful - by whom by the way? means you are having your cake and eating it.

Anyone who cannot see that Jews have been targeted and fucked over for centuries and continue to be targeted has not being paying attention.

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 07:37

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:35

I can’t believe you said that, I really can’t.

But I won’t report it.

Is this post addressed to me?

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 07:38

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 07:28

You said that "Jewish victimhood" is a myth. When it's clear that the Jewish people have suffered horrendously from persecution for millennia.

@Greysowhatyes this was your post.

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:38

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 07:37

Is this post addressed to me?

No, I meant @Greysowhat (post has since been deleted)

EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 07:39

NewmumOct · 15/12/2025 00:14

I guess many countries could use this similar arguement to defend genocide.You killed us first so i know, we will just start wiping you all out.

Why don't they target Hamas only? Let me guess hamas are using Palestinians as human shields.

Yes, they are.
Why else use schools and clinics for weapons dumps? Have terror tunnel access points in private houses? Plant IEDs, with hard wiring and cameras, in blocks of flats?

Urban warfare is hideous. It is particularly hideous if the civilians cannot flee. What has stopped Egypt from allowing international organisations to set up properly supervised refugee camps for people who have been screened (so with no known links to Hamas) on their side of the border?

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 07:39

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:38

No, I meant @Greysowhat (post has since been deleted)

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EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 07:41

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Speechless.

whymadam · 15/12/2025 07:42

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Damnloginpopup · 15/12/2025 07:44

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 03:05

@MeouwKing and @Damnloginpopup

There's no need to diss everyone else's beliefs, including those of Jewish people, who believe in God just as Christian and Muslims do. They are the three Abrahamic religions. And fyi, Genesis in the Bible talks about the time when there was nothing, no earth and no dinosaurs. And also fyi, some of the most illustrious and famous scientists and physicists in the world believe in a divine start to all that there is. (Or believed, when they were still alive.) Darwin thought that evolution was compatible with faith, for example.

Modern scientists who believe/believed in God

Legendary Scientists who believed in God

You might also be interested to know that quantum physics tells us there are other dimensions. It's thought that there is at least one other dimension of which we have no knowledge because we cannot conceive of it, and that whoever discovers what it is will go down in history on a Newton/Darwin/Einstein level.

Wave-particle duality tells us this other dimension exists, as does the hut-couple experiment. I'm simplifying and it's way too much to explain here, but you can always look it up. The book Quantum Enigma, published by Oxford University Press, is good. Einstein thought there was a spiritual aspect to the universe, and these experiments prove without a doubt he was onto something. They have been replicated at the most respectable academic institutions in the world, and they should not be true, as far as our own perception allows, but the experiments show that they are true.

Basically, the same matter can behave like waves or like particles.....depending on who's watching. But as far as we can perceive, that's impossible. And the hut-couple experiment demonstrates that a man or a woman comes out of the two huts depending on which one you are expecting to see.

They suggest that there is something not exactly permanent or fixed about things in the universe that we perceive to be fixed. Because how can a piece of matter have a dual nature that reveals different sides depending if a human is watching or not? As far as we know, a wave is a wave and a particle is a particle and cannot change depending on if it's being watched or not. However, The Double-Slit Experiment is the classic proof that this is not the case. Send particles (like electrons) through two slits:

  1. If you don't watch which slit they go through, they form an interference pattern (wave-like).
  2. If you do watch, they act like particles and the pattern disappears.

If you extrapolate these experiments to the macro level, it's the equivalent of a wall being solid or made of light, depending on if a human is looking at it or not. They indicate that everything is different from how WE perceive it. In other words, that our perception is not reliable and that there's a lot more to the universe than we can see.

Einstein's idea of Spinoza's God, an over-arching intelligent force in our universe might be correct, even if it's not actually old man with a white beard.

So I wouldn't be so sure with your flat, un-nuanced, two-dimensional denial of religion. And it's really not on to piss on everyone else's holy chips. I never, ever, ever talk about my religion, not to anyone. But people who are so arrogant as to declare that there's nothing, and that they know so much better than much of humanity and all of human history, are just asking for a quantum physics lesson.

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Yeah. I posted the picture in a response to the previous post. Then thought it was not the place but was unable to delete it despite seconds passing. Still, this thread ceased to be about the Bondi murders long before.

I'm tolerant of everyone's right to believe anything. Religion, gender, quantum physics, Father Christmas. Not affected by it so totally ambivalent. But I also believe in the right to question the reality of one hundred different Gods, one God and no Gods*. I am aware of the people of the book, aware of the issues that stem from religious belief and aware of the use of religious excuse.

I chose not to believe in religion. Purely because I just don't believe it. I'd LOVE to believe in Norse, best religious text, the Prose Edda,I've waded through. But...nah. bollocks. Having been to Dachau and Ponary lately (I often end up in places of extreme human darkness around the world) I also chose not to pander to people who do. But Ido defend their right to believe.

*Goes, Prophets, Popes, Ayatollahs...

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:44

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 07:39

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Sorry, I obviously didn’t even quote the original post; still waking up.

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 07:46

EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 07:41

Speechless.

It’s beyond disgusting.

I’m never sure if I should report such posts or leave them standing so all the numpties who say there is no antisemitism can see them.

EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 07:47

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Not so.
Supporters of many religion (and none) have carried out of acts of terrorism over the years.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 07:49

Dear god. I've come back on the thread this morning and honestly, I'm shocked.
Open antisemitism.
Depressing.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 07:52

EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 07:47

Not so.
Supporters of many religion (and none) have carried out of acts of terrorism over the years.

Are the victims routinely blamed? Because there's a lot of that going on here with Jews.
Someone upthread mentioned Anders Breivik.
I don't recall his victims being blamed, or questions raised about their connections to global events.

ChristmasMantleStatue · 15/12/2025 07:54

Exactly.

People reveal themselves as disgusting anti semites and their posts are allowed to stand. And they probably think they are good people too. Truly astonishing.

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 07:56

No one should be shocked by antisemitism (or bigotry or racism or ableism) - anyone who isn’t acutely aware of this every moment of the day is just someone it doesn’t affect. Which is fine! We can’t live our life constantly anxious about everything. I am white so sometimes I miss things because no one is saying them to me.

But where it gets seriously unpleasant is when it does affect you and you tell people and then are told you’re imagining it or pretending to be a victim or brought it on yourself because some strangers in another country did something terrible. What’s awful is when you’re told to just be kinder or apologise more or try harder when the actual problem isn’t you at all.

Jewish people are screaming and yelling and begging for help and most of the time we are told it’s somehow our fault. It is not my fault that my children are harassed at school and it’s not my fault that my father’s synagogue had a mass shooting and it’s not my fault that my great grandparents were kicked out of Russia. None of this is on me and I’m so very tired of being told I’ve somehow done something wrong.

So far it’s just made me more determined to raise Jewish children and pass on my family traditions and wear dreidel earrings and celebrate loudly but I am scared. I cover up my Jewish star necklace and I consider if it’s safe to walk the streets in my Chanukah jumper and I spend time talking to the police more regularly than I’d like. And it would be so much easier to just give up and assimilate and choose safety but I’m too stubborn and angry to do that yet.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 07:58

Very sad news, those people who were attacked must have been terrified.
it is a terrifying time for Jewish people.
The hate for Islam is growing at an alarming pace too.
Pig heads have been placed on Muslim graves overnight.
The Islamic radicalism is growing fast alongside the hate for Islamic traditions in western society.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 07:59

@PurpleThistle7 - well I am shocked.
I admit it.
I genuinely didn't expect it. There's been something of an undercurrent on here, but to be so overt?
I am going to say that I'm glad it has the power to shock me because that way I'll never accept it, nor fail to challenge it.

Jeronnemo · 15/12/2025 08:00

CaneBasket · 15/12/2025 06:49

@Manova14

“Western countries, followers of what religions are responsible for terrorist acts?
Islam is the only one.”
**

I’m not going to argue anymore about this with you. You were the one that said there was only one religion that had terrorist members. I disagree. There is an enormous amount of information available on the internet about the White Christian nationalist background of some terrorist attacks. Here’s Just a very tiny bit of it. I’ve linked the time article - it’s worth a read.

“The Christchurch shooter in turn took particular inspiration from the ideology of a terrorist who killed nearly 100 people at a youth camp on Utøya island in Norway in 2011. The Utøya shooter also published a manifesto, which contains clear white Christian nationalist appeals throughout. He asked God to help him succeed in his mission to expel all Muslims from Europe, and he decried the way multiculturalism was deconstructing European culture and “European Christendom.” Toward the end of the document, he proclaimed, “Onward Christian soldiers! Celebrate us, the martyrs of the conservative revolution, for we will soon dine in the Kingdom of Heaven.”

https://time.com/6179886/christianity-white-supremacy-buffalo/

it does no good to talk about one type of terrorist threat and not another.

I disagree. To use an analogy, domestic abuse is overwhelmingly carried out by men but there's always someone who comes along to say, well I know a man who was abused by his wife. That may well be so but the focus needs to be on the 99% of abuse carried out by men.

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