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Bondi beach mass shooting

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habin · 14/12/2025 10:00

Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

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dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:40

ChristmasMantleStatue · 14/12/2025 19:38

No It will not do. Because you are implicitly condoning terrorism.

Tell me about the Manchester Arena Attacks. About Bataclan. About the Boston Marathon Bombing. About September 11. All of which happened before Hamas attacked civilians on Israeli territory and before Israel retaliated.

What was the motivation there? Do you recognise that? Tell me about that. Tell me how you think those attacks were understandable.

How am I condoning terrorism? Saying 'I think x did y because of z' isn't the same as condoning it.

LucyWestenra · 14/12/2025 19:41

ChristmasMantleStatue · 14/12/2025 19:38

No It will not do. Because you are implicitly condoning terrorism.

Tell me about the Manchester Arena Attacks. About Bataclan. About the Boston Marathon Bombing. About September 11. All of which happened before Hamas attacked civilians on Israeli territory and before Israel retaliated.

What was the motivation there? Do you recognise that? Tell me about that. Tell me how you think those attacks were understandable.

Yes.

And Charlie Hebdo and the Berlin Christmas Market attack in 2016.

And, and, and…

ChristmasMantleStatue · 14/12/2025 19:41

Yes. And.

HappyFace2025 · 14/12/2025 19:42

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:35

I'm not sure which word you'll find acceptable. I think they did it because of Gaza. I don't agree with what they did, I think it's a terrible thing to do. Will that do?

They did it simply because they hate Jews. As pp have stated, other atrocities against Jews took place during this century long before the 7 October 23 pogrom. Fixed it for you.

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:44

I'd say that those involved in those attacks would claim it was justified because of 'Western interference in/invasion of Muslim countries'. I don't agree with what they did but I'm capable of seeing things from different perspectives. I'm not Jewish. I'm not Muslim. I have no 'skin in the game' on this issue. I can be objective.

Beachtastic · 14/12/2025 19:46

NewmumOct · 14/12/2025 18:38

They do!!! Just because its not blasted all over GBNews or BBC News does not mean it is not. In fact we have weekly sermons in every mosque in this country called 'khutabs'. I guarantee you the ideology of the khawaraji is discussed and often talked about . The dangers etc. The fact that you have not heard of the term 'khawaraj' proves my point. In fact i have never heard the term used in any media outlet in this country in my 28 years of living. Why???

The message is not reaching the masses. Hell, i guarantee you hardly anyone in this discussion knows what the term even is.

There are plenty of people trying their best in the community to educate and combat. Is it enough, no clearly not. How many powerful and well know Imans do you know in the UK. Many have tried to come out and speak about this issue. Many put in a lifetime to combat the issue. But it falls on deaf ears. The reality is, its easier to label muslims as terrorist and islamist, then to actually listen and try to understand.

Sorry for the typos etc, no time to proper proof check

I guarantee you the ideology of the khawaraji is discussed and often talked about. The dangers etc. The fact that you have not heard of the term 'khawaraj' proves my point. In fact i have never heard the term used in any media outlet in this country in my 28 years of living. Why???
The message is not reaching the masses. Hell, i guarantee you hardly anyone in this discussion knows what the term even is.

You're right, it's so important for us Westerners to understand all this better. I'm curious to know, who do you blame for our ignorance? The media, for not reporting what is widely shared in the Muslim community? Imams, for speaking in closed circles for fear of consequences? Both? Something else?

Collectively, we need to get a grip on all this.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 14/12/2025 19:47

Mapletree1985 · 14/12/2025 12:46

Not people. What is wrong with these men. Women don't do this. They're men.

Overwhelmingly they are men, yes. But there have been some women. And remember the three British schoolgirls who went to join them, and that other woman, Shana Beguin or something.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 14/12/2025 19:48

HappyFace2025 · 14/12/2025 19:42

They did it simply because they hate Jews. As pp have stated, other atrocities against Jews took place during this century long before the 7 October 23 pogrom. Fixed it for you.

She agrees with you.
She’s saying exactly that but you’re reading it as her saying that they deserved it because they’re Jewish.

She isn’t.

LucyWestenra · 14/12/2025 19:48

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:44

I'd say that those involved in those attacks would claim it was justified because of 'Western interference in/invasion of Muslim countries'. I don't agree with what they did but I'm capable of seeing things from different perspectives. I'm not Jewish. I'm not Muslim. I have no 'skin in the game' on this issue. I can be objective.

Well, bully for you.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 14/12/2025 19:49

Beachtastic · 14/12/2025 19:46

I guarantee you the ideology of the khawaraji is discussed and often talked about. The dangers etc. The fact that you have not heard of the term 'khawaraj' proves my point. In fact i have never heard the term used in any media outlet in this country in my 28 years of living. Why???
The message is not reaching the masses. Hell, i guarantee you hardly anyone in this discussion knows what the term even is.

You're right, it's so important for us Westerners to understand all this better. I'm curious to know, who do you blame for our ignorance? The media, for not reporting what is widely shared in the Muslim community? Imams, for speaking in closed circles for fear of consequences? Both? Something else?

Collectively, we need to get a grip on all this.

I googled that word.

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of chat about it. Not at all.

HappyFace2025 · 14/12/2025 19:50

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 14/12/2025 19:48

She agrees with you.
She’s saying exactly that but you’re reading it as her saying that they deserved it because they’re Jewish.

She isn’t.

Not clear at all.
Let her clarify if she possibly can.

Edited to add: And it appears that a few posters agree with me judging by my notifications.

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:51

LucyWestenra · 14/12/2025 19:48

Well, bully for you.

Thanks.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 14/12/2025 19:51

alamak · 14/12/2025 11:57

No. Many religious texts sanction the murder of disbelievers, apostates and rule breakers. Some religions backtrack from the bloodlust, others glorify in them and codify them into law. Not all of us are ignorant nor naive.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll just say, if you have time, do a little googling about the context of those passages.

Peace.

EasternStandard · 14/12/2025 19:52

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:44

I'd say that those involved in those attacks would claim it was justified because of 'Western interference in/invasion of Muslim countries'. I don't agree with what they did but I'm capable of seeing things from different perspectives. I'm not Jewish. I'm not Muslim. I have no 'skin in the game' on this issue. I can be objective.

People are hurting today. It’s a horrendous attack. Nothing justifies it.

Gloriia · 14/12/2025 19:54

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 14/12/2025 19:49

I googled that word.

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of chat about it. Not at all.

Yes why are we all seeing 'khawaraji' here for the first time?!

Get it in the media, tell these jihadis there's no virgins and paradise for them.

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 19:54

EasternStandard · 14/12/2025 19:52

People are hurting today. It’s a horrendous attack. Nothing justifies it.

I was referring to previous attacks that were mentioned. I don't think any of them were justified and neither was today's. I'll repeat - understanding/seeing/recognising someone's motivation isn't the same as agreeing with it.

InlandTaipan · 14/12/2025 19:56

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/12/2025 18:24

How could it not be? Gaza's almost certainly their excuse for carrying out this attack.

Because an "excuse" is exactly what it is. This attack was rooted in anti-semitism not the desire for a Palestinian state.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 14/12/2025 19:56

My love and support to those affected. Was meant to comment earlier but found it all so sad and couldnt stomach the news channel. ❤️🥺

HildegardP · 14/12/2025 20:00

OneFunBrickNewt · 14/12/2025 17:54

Whataboutery alert.
There are small Jewish communities in North African Muslim countries, Eg Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, but I don't think that's the point of your question.
I'd love for Jews and Muslims to be able to live in peace across the Middle East, and Christians too. I don't see the issue with stating the truth that Arabs don't have the same rights in reality as Jews do, as it happens to be true.

It happens to be something untrue that you've been told & chose to believe.
Why you choose to believe it is entirely a matter for what we shall lightly call "your conscience".

BTW, the once-thriving Jewish community of Algeria has now withered to an estimated 50-200 individuals as a result of antisemitic violence & discrimination.

In Morocco, what was a large & thriving Jewish community established since Antiquity has shrunk to a couple of thousand for the same reason.

Tunisia, where the El-Ghriba Synagogue was known as "the Jerusalmen of North Africa" & attracted Jewish pilgrims from around the world, had a Jewish population of around 100,00 in the middle of the last century. It now has only around 1,500 Jews because of antisemtic violence & discrimination.

I note you don't mention Egypt, perhaps because you know that what was a large Jewish population, part of Egyptian life for millenia, is now less than a hundred people, mostly old ladies in the two major cities. Ask the Muslim Brotherhood why.

To deal with the rest of N Africa, the only Jews in Kuwait are foreigners, the last of Sudan's tiny Jewish community left in the 70s for the same reasons that so many Jews have quit Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt & Morocco, there are (barely) a handful of Jews left in Djibouti, the Adenite community there having, with commendable prescience, made aliyah decades ago. There is no resident Jewish community in Western Sahara, which leaves us just Libya. There, the Jews were almost entirely driven out after Independence in the 50s. A few individuals held out, hoping for better times, but the last Jew fled Libya in 2003.

Shall we do Yemen next? Or Afghanistan? Perhaps Syria? Or would you prefer Jordan, with its laws prohibiting Jews from citizenship or the ownership of property?

Edited for dyslexia - some may remain

Staringintothevoid616 · 14/12/2025 20:06

habin · 14/12/2025 15:37

can Mumsnet HQ please explain what they removed my post saying that Hamas stated that they want to eradicate Israel. Unfuckingbelievable and buying into antisemitism on a day when Jews have suffered an antisemitic attack. Don’t take my word on it, read Hamas’s own words here:
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

If that’s correct that’s unbelievable

SouthernNights59 · 14/12/2025 20:07

pforpig · 14/12/2025 11:10

First the US shooting now this. I thought Australia had strong gun control.

You are naive if you think strong gun control laws means people can't get hold of guns.

echt · 14/12/2025 20:13

SouthernNights59 · 14/12/2025 20:07

You are naive if you think strong gun control laws means people can't get hold of guns.

It's not good at all. There's been significant creep upwards in gun ownership in Australia sine the Port Arthur Massacre.

https://koffels.com.au/the-future-of-australian-gun-control/

MeouwKing · 14/12/2025 20:14

Gloriia · 14/12/2025 19:54

Yes why are we all seeing 'khawaraji' here for the first time?!

Get it in the media, tell these jihadis there's no virgins and paradise for them.

I have never understood the virgins thing. Surely it would be a lot more fun to have 72 sexully experienced partners.

2021x · 14/12/2025 20:23

SouthernNights59 · 14/12/2025 20:07

You are naive if you think strong gun control laws means people can't get hold of guns.

Gun control is good for prevent casual shootings inc. suicides, drunken anger and domestic assaults but someone who is incredibly motivated will be able to find weapons.

The person who committed this atrocity is an extremist and a murderer. They would have found another group of people to villanise if it wasn't this group.

NewmumOct · 14/12/2025 20:28

Gloriia · 14/12/2025 19:54

Yes why are we all seeing 'khawaraji' here for the first time?!

Get it in the media, tell these jihadis there's no virgins and paradise for them.

If you go to the middle east, say kuwait . An average kuwaiti would define this term. But no it is not known here nor is it a used term. We simply say islamist here.

No they are called the dogs of hellfire. Toture and terror is all they bring and are amongst the worst of mankind.

Here are the hadiths referring to them.

The Khawarij (Kharijites) are one of the deviant sects, as is proven by the texts and by scholarly consensus. Al-Bukhari (6934) and Muslim (1068) narrated that Yusayr ibn ‘Amr said: I said to Sahl ibn Hunayf: Did you hear the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say anything about the Khawarij? He said: I heard him say – and he gestured with his hand towards Iraq –: “From there will emerge people who recite the Quran, but it will not go past their collarbones. They will pass out of Islam as an arrow passes out of the prey.”

Ibn Majah (173) narrated that Ibn Abi Awfa said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Khawarij are the dogs of Hell.” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih Ibn Majah)

They are muslims but the quran does nor pass their collarbones. As in its simply words to them, nor thought in what God tells us in the quran.Islam leaves them like the arrow passes the prey, as in they do not hold onto true islam. There is nothing geniune about them.

The Prophet describes them as the dogs of the hell fire.

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