Bondi beach mass shooting

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Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

I think the way this thread has been derailed to Gaza, yet tediously again, is a fucking disgrace.

How could it not be? Gaza's almost certainly their excuse for carrying out this attack.

Nope you bought up the left as somehow excusing this... no need for such divisive language and now your being very rude on this day.

Know your history.

Always helps.

What has this got to do with an antisemitic attack in Australia?

Other, of course, than fairly obvious connection that the constant monstering of Israel inevitably leads to atrocities like this.

Edited to insert missing word.

I’m actually embarrassed for you. Your posts are so confused and wrong that it’s almost impossible to know where to start in straightening them out.

True, but it's depressing seeing the useful idiots helping push the narrative.

Was the Orthodox Jew not British?

'Radical islamist and normal muslims can look the same, dress the same etc. The difference is what they think and believe fundamentally. Whether they are filled with rage and hate. How they views otherwise that do not have the same beliefs as them, etc'

As you say the extremists live among us. Muslims are not isolated at all, they have a strong community yet we rarely hear the 'senior' Muslims openly and loudly condemning the jihadis. If they did as you say the other countries do and openly condemn 'khawaraj' <why have we never heard this word before> then maybe the radicals could be stopped.

No, I don't think all Muslims are responsible for jihadis but in a culture where imams and elders are respected and listened to then they should follow the lead of Saudi etc and educate the potential terrorists.

So someone said Islam is not compatible with the west because of what happened to the jews.
And acting like the religion with its 2 billion followers has an issue with the another religion.
Just pointing out it was in fact the westerners that kicked out the jews out of Europe, put them in concentration camps, and killed 6 million people.

Stop acting like it was that long ago.
People are still alive today that experienced this.
Just surprised that you think that the west is a haven of security when this is literally the place of anti Jewish hate.
And even the UK thought the fine solution to anti Jewish hate was to take the Jews out of Europe.
And ooh let's try and remember why jews left the holy lands to begin with, oh yes, the roman empire kicked them out.
Europeans consistently just keep Jews safe don't they?
Like what a legacy.
So tell me, you have repented have you?
Realised the errors of your ways?

Then don't start on anotherg group of people, blaming all ills on them.
Just can't help yourselves it seems

Just pointing out it was in fact the westerners that kicked out the jews out of Europe, put them in concentration camps, and killed 6 million people.

Why do you keep saying Westerners when you mean Nazis? you know, the enemy of most of the West?

Yes. Of Polish/Lithuanian descent. The ones who stayed behind were murdered in the camps. My grandpa's grandparents had emigrated at the turn of the century.

I’ve seen more footage and realised the second gunman on the bridge is the man who was disarmed by the hero. This was after he’d been “disarmed”. I know the hero put the gun down against a tree so either the gunman got it back or he had a second long rifle in his small backpack (unlikely) and got that out. Shame the member of the public didn’t shoot him when he had a chance.

The police will have a lot of explaining to do if that is the case.

I already feel they’re far too slow in these situations (not all individual officers I mean the general response)

You blame what happened today on the ROMANS now????

What are you even saying at this point? People died today on a beach and were targeted because of their religion. Children. Families. Today. Literally hours ago.

@sunshinestar1986
Just pointing out it was in fact the westerners that kicked out the jews out of Europe, put them in concentration camps, and killed 6 million people.
Was it you upthread to whom I offered the suggestion that you might perhaps like to go and read up on the history of the Jews in Muslim countries?

There were some good times, and there were some terrible times. Forced conversions. The Farhud. The effective ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Egypt, Syria, Iraq... Countries were Jewish communities predated Islam.

I see the Paris New Year celebrations in the Champs Elysees have been cancelled. They must have decent intel that something might happen.

Christmas markets, NYE, Hanukkah parties… and we all have to pretend that there’s nothing to see here.

This isn't answering the question. It's obviously avoiding doing so. Just like you've avoided stating what rights Arabs don't have in Israel. If it's so obvious and true you should be able to say it clearly, with links as additional information not the explanation.

As for whataboutery, you started it

He seemed to join his fellow murderer back on the bridge where it looked like there were more weapons.
I was surprised the amount of bystanders that wandered onto to the bridge once they'd been shot to take pictures.

There was another gun on the bridge.

@OneFunBrickNewt so your link simply says that Arabs in Israel don’t have the right of return (no shit, they’re not Jewish) and that they are exempt from serving in the IDF (I’m assuming you don’t see this as a problem). The only other issue it highlights is socio economic differences. These apply to Muslims in many other countries where they are a minority but I’ve never heard it ascribed to some sort of lack of legal rights as this seems to be doing, albeit rather vaguely.

As many have pointed out, Arab citizens in Israel have a ton more rights than Arabs in many Muslim countries.

Absolutely no chance I’ll go near any Christmas markets or festive celebrations in London. too many violent men about.

Some of them went to show how hard they were. I was surprised at how long it took a decent number of police to get to the bridge to clear away the idiots.

They do!!! Just because its not blasted all over GBNews or BBC News does not mean it is not. In fact we have weekly sermons in every mosque in this country called 'khutabs'. I guarantee you the ideology of the khawaraji is discussed and often talked about . The dangers etc. The fact that you have not heard of the term 'khawaraj' proves my point. In fact i have never heard the term used in any media outlet in this country in my 28 years of living. Why???

The message is not reaching the masses. Hell, i guarantee you hardly anyone in this discussion knows what the term even is.

There are plenty of people trying their best in the community to educate and combat. Is it enough, no clearly not. How many powerful and well know Imans do you know in the UK. Many have tried to come out and speak about this issue. Many put in a lifetime to combat the issue. But it falls on deaf ears. The reality is, its easier to label muslims as terrorist and islamist, then to actually listen and try to understand.

Sorry for the typos etc, no time to proper proof check

Hi,
I thought your first post was very interesting and actually raised a lot of troubling questions.
I grew up in a majority Muslim area and I’ve never heard that word. I’ve heard Muslims openly express deep hatred for Jews (and non-muslims) though and it was never challenged or even mildly disagreed with.

I saw celebrations after 9/11 and October 7th. Again, not challenged at all by the community.

My school was majority Muslim and the boys would often tell us about the hatred the Imams were preaching.

I think of them a little as the ‘incels’ of Islam.

As in, the shooters today were certainly not dressed ‘religiously’ and it wouldn’t surprise me to hear they were not regular Mosque attendees (although we will see, of course).

I also wonder whether actually Islam is a bit of a red herring in that the only link is the fact the shooters are Muslim and Gaza (if indeed uncovered as the motive) is Muslim, but the actual religious teaching is not the crux of the matter, the revenge is. Does that make sense? As in, it’s driven by political rather than religious reasons but the reason those political views weee developed is under the framework of Islam.

I still think there needs to be far more condemnation from Muslims, and the messages like the one from Adnan Hussain just aren’t good enough and are borderline offensive. We spent the whole of the 2000s being cautioned that Muslims mustn’t be blamed for the actions of various bombers, and of course they shouldn’t be, but this mindset has not been afforded to Jews who are relentlessly persecuted for the actions of the Israeli government.