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Labour isn't working - Thread 23

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TheNuthatch · 03/12/2025 14:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Fauchon · 17/12/2025 14:34

Upstartled · 16/12/2025 16:53

God, we get some boundary-less, deficient weirdos on this thread.

The employment rights bill is such a colossal act of self sabotage - the Lord's have given them an out to walk away from this and use them as the scapegoat - idiot Rayner won't be deterred from ballooning youth unemployment though.

Agreed. Particularly the ones who call resident doctors shameless dicks.

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 14:37

Fauchon · 17/12/2025 14:34

Agreed. Particularly the ones who call resident doctors shameless dicks.

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NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 14:55

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 14:37

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Prepare for the third exit!

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Upstartled · 17/12/2025 15:14

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 14:55

Prepare for the third exit!

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SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 15:16

Fauchon · 17/12/2025 14:34

Agreed. Particularly the ones who call resident doctors shameless dicks.

I thought you'd flounced yesterday?

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 15:22

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 15:16

I thought you'd flounced yesterday?

And the day before that. It's like the Christmas pudding that keeps repeating.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 15:23

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 15:22

And the day before that. It's like the Christmas pudding that keeps repeating.

On the twelfth day of Christmas....

Legolava · 17/12/2025 15:34

Fauchon · 17/12/2025 14:34

Agreed. Particularly the ones who call resident doctors shameless dicks.

Didn’t you flounce multiple times yesterday? Or is the urge to stalk and harass posters too strong for you to resist?

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 15:45

Fauchon · 17/12/2025 14:34

Agreed. Particularly the ones who call resident doctors shameless dicks.

‘Shameless dick’ - as in not honouring your word?

justasking111 · 17/12/2025 15:52

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 11:36

Employing untrained youngsters is too expensive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4d8bd6d8a5046df8

When ideology meets reality.

I was talking to a restaurant owner who said the same. At this minimum wage he can employ experienced reliable staff he said.

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 16:07

Yes, and while the bottom rung of the ladder enjoys another government mandated bonus at the expense of the rest of the staff - there's very little incentive for those experienced employees to take on more training and responsibilities and make way for new blood.

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 16:13

Members of Unison, Britain’s biggest union, have chosen as their new leader a leftwinger who was thrown out of the Labour party — creating a another problem for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer.

Andrea Egan, who won by 60 per cent to 40 per cent against former leader and Starmer ally Christina McAnea, has vowed to take a more confrontational approach towards the government as Unison’s general secretary.

She has promised a “comprehensive review of our relationship with Labour to ensure we get value for money”, although allies of McAnea have questioned whether that is possible under the union’s rules.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/12/2025 16:20

Am I having a deja vue moment?

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 17/12/2025 16:34

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 16:13

Members of Unison, Britain’s biggest union, have chosen as their new leader a leftwinger who was thrown out of the Labour party — creating a another problem for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer.

Andrea Egan, who won by 60 per cent to 40 per cent against former leader and Starmer ally Christina McAnea, has vowed to take a more confrontational approach towards the government as Unison’s general secretary.

She has promised a “comprehensive review of our relationship with Labour to ensure we get value for money”, although allies of McAnea have questioned whether that is possible under the union’s rules.

“value for money”??

If a private donor to the Tories said this openly they, and the party, would be accused of corruption. Cash for favourable policy.

How brazen is the left in its organised backscratching!

carrythecan · 17/12/2025 17:15

Absolutely. Funny how it’s only corruption if the Tories do it.

EmeraldRoulette · 17/12/2025 18:17

I'm just catching up

Kemi B mentioned "an advent calendar of misery" yesterday. I thought it was a good line, but unfortunately, I think she might just be correct in that assessment generally. A lot of things are going to be hidden around Christmas lack of news I think.

I don't know when students were allowed to bring families either. I find it odd.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 18:20

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet; an opinion piece by Theresa Villiers in the Telegraph on Kemi's rising star: archive.ph/VPlHc

DancingFerret · 17/12/2025 19:07

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 18:20

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet; an opinion piece by Theresa Villiers in the Telegraph on Kemi's rising star: archive.ph/VPlHc

A good read and a fair summation of KB's performance to date. She's growing on me.
Unfortunately, the commentators on the article are not convinced. People have long memories and the Conservatives still have many detractors. If Sunak's tenure as PM had been longer voters might have thought twice about voting in the current shower of tax dodgers and outright liars.

That said, buyer's remorse seems to be prevalent if the polls are anything to go by, so Kemi and Co might yet come through at the nexr GE.

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 19:49

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 17/12/2025 16:34

“value for money”??

If a private donor to the Tories said this openly they, and the party, would be accused of corruption. Cash for favourable policy.

How brazen is the left in its organised backscratching!

The workers rights package enhancing the powers of the unions is just in time for these guys to do maximum damage. Well done to Starmer and Reeves - yet again, a really terrific job.

TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 20:02

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 16:13

Members of Unison, Britain’s biggest union, have chosen as their new leader a leftwinger who was thrown out of the Labour party — creating a another problem for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer.

Andrea Egan, who won by 60 per cent to 40 per cent against former leader and Starmer ally Christina McAnea, has vowed to take a more confrontational approach towards the government as Unison’s general secretary.

She has promised a “comprehensive review of our relationship with Labour to ensure we get value for money”, although allies of McAnea have questioned whether that is possible under the union’s rules.

Oh wow.
I had a really long drive today so I was catching up on some podcasts. They were talking about this being a possibility. Apparently Starmer and McSweeney spent years getting this union on their side, and now this result will mean that support has just crumbled.
This was framed as seismic for Starmer if Egan won. She is also a Burnham backer.

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Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 20:07

TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 20:02

Oh wow.
I had a really long drive today so I was catching up on some podcasts. They were talking about this being a possibility. Apparently Starmer and McSweeney spent years getting this union on their side, and now this result will mean that support has just crumbled.
This was framed as seismic for Starmer if Egan won. She is also a Burnham backer.

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Yes, the problems continue mounting for our old mate.

As ‘W’ might have said, it’s odd that the Germans don’t have a word for schadenfreude…

TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 20:11

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 20:07

Yes, the problems continue mounting for our old mate.

As ‘W’ might have said, it’s odd that the Germans don’t have a word for schadenfreude…

He thinks Erasmus will save him. 😂😂
Bless.

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TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 20:20

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 18:20

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet; an opinion piece by Theresa Villiers in the Telegraph on Kemi's rising star: archive.ph/VPlHc

I hope Kemi has read that. 😁

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hamstersarse · 17/12/2025 20:21

I had the misfortune to try and negotiate with some unions in previously mentioned job - it was about a strike.

The demands from the union were all about pay, as per. However, not to be too outing, we were tasked with finding out exactly what the issues really were in the organisation on behalf of the organisation, and pay was literally the bottom of the list. It was a clear case of horrendous leadership, and so we were able to get this through to them - and amazingly the unions agreed to call off the strike on the condition that leadership made agreed changes etc. Anyway, we thought we had achieved the impossible, the strike was called off. WoW!

Anyway, the union went back on their word and went on strike anyway. And reverted back to their original mantra - pay, pay, pay. It was very obvious they didn't actually want to work with the leadership to improve things after all (hence also for staff) and they wanted an adversial relationship - that is the only way they exist. Pay would not have solved the issue, and in the end it felt like that was deliberate. Impossible demands that won't solve the probelms so on and on it goes, all the while they receive their hefty salaries. It's rotten.

Imagine all workers issues were solved? They'd be out of work.

TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 20:27

hamstersarse · 17/12/2025 20:21

I had the misfortune to try and negotiate with some unions in previously mentioned job - it was about a strike.

The demands from the union were all about pay, as per. However, not to be too outing, we were tasked with finding out exactly what the issues really were in the organisation on behalf of the organisation, and pay was literally the bottom of the list. It was a clear case of horrendous leadership, and so we were able to get this through to them - and amazingly the unions agreed to call off the strike on the condition that leadership made agreed changes etc. Anyway, we thought we had achieved the impossible, the strike was called off. WoW!

Anyway, the union went back on their word and went on strike anyway. And reverted back to their original mantra - pay, pay, pay. It was very obvious they didn't actually want to work with the leadership to improve things after all (hence also for staff) and they wanted an adversial relationship - that is the only way they exist. Pay would not have solved the issue, and in the end it felt like that was deliberate. Impossible demands that won't solve the probelms so on and on it goes, all the while they receive their hefty salaries. It's rotten.

Imagine all workers issues were solved? They'd be out of work.

I can believe it.
It's their raison d'ètre.

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