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Labour isn't working - Thread 23

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TheNuthatch · 03/12/2025 14:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 17/12/2025 08:53

Awful.
Its now a case of how much irreversible damage can they inflict while they're in office.

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SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 08:57

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 08:44

Fucking hell. Net zero at any cost, but fuck the wildlife when building houses. Utterly clueless twats.

This isn’t even contradictory, unfortunately. The net zero quest where I am, in the form of wind farms, mega pylons and battery storage, is environmental devastation.

strawberrybubblegum · 17/12/2025 08:58

Removal of planning controls in residential areas. Justified by Matthew Pennycook:
"There is not enough… brownfield land that is in the right place and viable to meet that need. We do need to release more land, including green-belt land, but we are doing it in a fair way'.

WTF is the word 'fair' doing here? It does seem that they've got a list of words to pepper in at every opportunity, regardless of whether it's actially correct or in context: "fair", " broad shoulders", "inherited <something bad>" etc

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NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 08:59

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 08:57

This isn’t even contradictory, unfortunately. The net zero quest where I am, in the form of wind farms, mega pylons and battery storage, is environmental devastation.

That is true. What a fucking disaster this lot are. When can we get rid of them? This is horrific.

strawberrybubblegum · 17/12/2025 09:02

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 08:57

This isn’t even contradictory, unfortunately. The net zero quest where I am, in the form of wind farms, mega pylons and battery storage, is environmental devastation.

This attitude appears time and again on the Left throughout history: such certainty of their moral superiority that they'll trample anything to further their vision of utopia.

The ends justify the means - without considering that the consequences of the means are part of the 'end'.

And it always seems to be the Left. Perhaps because the Right are more pragmatic, they're less prone to that particular type of self-delusion and lack of self-awareness.

Julen7 · 17/12/2025 09:03

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 08:59

That is true. What a fucking disaster this lot are. When can we get rid of them? This is horrific.

We can get rid of them in 3.5 years but the question is I suppose, if this crazy quest for 1.5 million more houses gets under way can it ever be halted? I am so angry at Labour for this. There is much I despise about what they have done but for me this takes the biscuit.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 09:06

Julen7 · 17/12/2025 09:03

We can get rid of them in 3.5 years but the question is I suppose, if this crazy quest for 1.5 million more houses gets under way can it ever be halted? I am so angry at Labour for this. There is much I despise about what they have done but for me this takes the biscuit.

It was kind of rhetorical as I know the timings. The fact they have a ridiculous majority on the basis of less than 30% of the electorate (not the % who voted, as that was just over 30%) is a really bad advert for FPTP.

They shouldn't have the power they've got on that low a figure, it's not really democracy in action.

Julen7 · 17/12/2025 09:10

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 09:06

It was kind of rhetorical as I know the timings. The fact they have a ridiculous majority on the basis of less than 30% of the electorate (not the % who voted, as that was just over 30%) is a really bad advert for FPTP.

They shouldn't have the power they've got on that low a figure, it's not really democracy in action.

Yes I know 😊. Seems such a long time doesn’t it. I was trying to think back to things that happened 3 years ago and it depresses me to think how long it seems.
And yes it’s all wrong that they’re even in power.

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 09:39

Fortunately, and given the damage Labour have already inflicted on the building sector, as well as on demand itself, it’s reasonable to ask how much impact this latest policy brain fart, will have on actual building?

Very little, is my guess.

justasking111 · 17/12/2025 09:46

redange · 16/12/2025 23:33

I wonder what the Commercial value of a BBC Subscription would be. Would it be £9.99 a Month like Netflix that has thousands of Movies and releases at the Cinema, would it be £10.99 a month like Amazon Prime which again has content from around the World the best outlet for Goods in the World Live Sport and action around the world. The reality is the BBC Subscription would be not worth 50 Pence a month utter rubbish ! The, only value to the BBC was the network of Regional Radio Stations which played a crucial role in society. They have of course ceased to be the same, and mostly just play 'networked' Programs and redundancies have occurred to much loved local Radio Presenters. Good Riddance to a desperate and Past its time Organisation.

The BBC already flog programmes to streaming services worldwide.

redange · 17/12/2025 10:04

Other than Old Ex Pats, it is hard to think who would/does Subscribe overseas to watch the BBC. Perhaps, we could have BBC Gold available on SKY,Virgin or Free with Apple TV or £3 a Month in HD. The, BBC have nothing but 'history' from a bygone era, which ended around 2003. The, BBC is a victim of its own 'stupidity' and largely its own creation 'Wokeness' which is also destroying the Country. The day, the screen goes blank on BBC 1,2,3 and 4 cannot come soon enough for me...

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 10:17

Looks like a fall in the base rate is baked in -thanks primarily to a surge in unemployment and declining wage growth in the private sector.

No doubt it will be spun as a good news story by Labour comms.

EasternStandard · 17/12/2025 10:19

Julen7 · 17/12/2025 09:10

Yes I know 😊. Seems such a long time doesn’t it. I was trying to think back to things that happened 3 years ago and it depresses me to think how long it seems.
And yes it’s all wrong that they’re even in power.

Perhaps it depends on whether Starmer fends off a leadership battle. It could be sooner if Burnham moves on it.

That probably relies on local elections and how badly they do.

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 10:31

New polling for Senedd elections:

If this comes to pass then this will be an awful result for Starmer - May is going to be awful for Labour.

And a new polling on whether things are getting better or worse in the UK. 73% say worse and less than 10% say better.

Labour isn't working - Thread 23
hamstersarse · 17/12/2025 11:31

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 08:57

This isn’t even contradictory, unfortunately. The net zero quest where I am, in the form of wind farms, mega pylons and battery storage, is environmental devastation.

Same!

I am hoping Trump has literally taken the wind out of the scam of windfarms and the monstrosities planned here get dropped. Take out all the subsidies and the investors will scarper. Even looking as to whether Reform get in should be enough for the scammy investors in wind farm monstrosities to back off. Here's hoping. I cannot explain the devastation that is planned where I live.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 11:39

hamstersarse · 17/12/2025 11:31

Same!

I am hoping Trump has literally taken the wind out of the scam of windfarms and the monstrosities planned here get dropped. Take out all the subsidies and the investors will scarper. Even looking as to whether Reform get in should be enough for the scammy investors in wind farm monstrosities to back off. Here's hoping. I cannot explain the devastation that is planned where I live.

I can imagine it, unfortunately. I'm in Scotland so we've been getting this from the SNP for years, so have been watching in sympathy as Labour have proceeded to dole out the same treatment to England.

EasternStandard · 17/12/2025 12:09

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 11:36

Employing untrained youngsters is too expensive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4d8bd6d8a5046df8

When ideology meets reality.

This is not good. The last thing we need is fewer jobs for young people.

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 12:11

EasternStandard · 17/12/2025 12:09

This is not good. The last thing we need is fewer jobs for young people.

And this is before they push through the workers rights bill and make taking a punt on an untrained, expensive youngster even more risky.

Prometheus78 · 17/12/2025 12:21

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 12:11

And this is before they push through the workers rights bill and make taking a punt on an untrained, expensive youngster even more risky.

We are being swamped with grad applications at the moment.

There is very little hiring - broadly - in finance at least.

whataguddle · 17/12/2025 12:54

Just watched PM's and an MP with a Scottish accent female I missed her name asked the PM to confirm that the students coming from Gaza along with heir families that the deadline will be extended and can happen. She said we would be missing out on their knowledge if we don't bring them....we cant get jobs for our own it is madness on so many levels.

What is the Gaza obsession the country is on its knees why do we need more students coming and since when did students bring their families? Which we know they won't ever return....what is that all about?

It is bonkers.

DancingFerret · 17/12/2025 13:16

What Labour does best - taking full advantage of the all the perks of office (not to mention free clothing and glasses from its benefactors).

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a688923eb6847c60

carrythecan · 17/12/2025 13:22

Upstartled · 17/12/2025 12:11

And this is before they push through the workers rights bill and make taking a punt on an untrained, expensive youngster even more risky.

Yep. We have always employed young people, especially students who work mainly in their holidays, which ties in nicely with our business fluctuations. For every 5 18 year olds we take on, I estimate 1 will become a real asset, the remaining 4 will do the job adequately enough, which was fine at, what was traditionally, roughly half the cost of an experienced 25+ employee. Now that there is so little difference in cost (unfortunately the business can’t stretch to paying £20+ an hour for experienced staff, which is really what they should be on if the 18 year olds are worth £10 an hour) so we have reduced the hours we are open and manage with mainly our permanent, older and experienced, team.

This pattern is being carried out by hospitality businesses all over the country. The result is very few opportunities for young workers; disgruntled customers who moan about venues only being open half the week with worse service; and less tax income for the Government. Slow hand clap for Labour.

The daft thing is, most of the 18 year olds were very happy with their £6 an hour pocket money. None of the 30 odd teenagers we’ve employed in the last few years lived independently, or wished too. They used the money for treats and/or uni savings. It
really is great experience for them too. One of the most rewarding things to experience as an employer is to see a nervous, shy 18 year old blossom into a capable, confident young person, all because they were able to take pride in doing their job well.

it makes me so angry that this was the completely predictable result. And now Kier Starmer is mumbling about creating schemes to put young people in work experience in hospitality. Yes, you idiot, that’s essentially what paying 18 year olds a lower wage meant happened naturally.

Sorry for the rant!

whataguddle · 17/12/2025 13:40

Agree 100% @carrythecan !

It is the blind leading the blind with Labour they are clueless as they haven’t lived in the real world or ran businesses...the workers rights bill is a catastrophe!

They are destroying every aspect of life

EasternStandard · 17/12/2025 13:52

carrythecan · 17/12/2025 13:22

Yep. We have always employed young people, especially students who work mainly in their holidays, which ties in nicely with our business fluctuations. For every 5 18 year olds we take on, I estimate 1 will become a real asset, the remaining 4 will do the job adequately enough, which was fine at, what was traditionally, roughly half the cost of an experienced 25+ employee. Now that there is so little difference in cost (unfortunately the business can’t stretch to paying £20+ an hour for experienced staff, which is really what they should be on if the 18 year olds are worth £10 an hour) so we have reduced the hours we are open and manage with mainly our permanent, older and experienced, team.

This pattern is being carried out by hospitality businesses all over the country. The result is very few opportunities for young workers; disgruntled customers who moan about venues only being open half the week with worse service; and less tax income for the Government. Slow hand clap for Labour.

The daft thing is, most of the 18 year olds were very happy with their £6 an hour pocket money. None of the 30 odd teenagers we’ve employed in the last few years lived independently, or wished too. They used the money for treats and/or uni savings. It
really is great experience for them too. One of the most rewarding things to experience as an employer is to see a nervous, shy 18 year old blossom into a capable, confident young person, all because they were able to take pride in doing their job well.

it makes me so angry that this was the completely predictable result. And now Kier Starmer is mumbling about creating schemes to put young people in work experience in hospitality. Yes, you idiot, that’s essentially what paying 18 year olds a lower wage meant happened naturally.

Sorry for the rant!

Ikr what an absolute idiot

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