Thread 39 Starmer: chwech/saith - dechreuodd y plant ei

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The withdrawing the winter fuel allowance was misguided because it was bound to look bad, but the people who needed it will still get the money.

@cardibach , ei doesn't, or shouldn't, be used to mean it. It's a possessive determiner not a pronoun.

I can ask MN to change to the title to 'e' if that is the correct way

I can speak Irish at a simple conversatioal level, and have a smattering of Welsh words. Regarding Welsh, all I know that it's similar to Irish in that there's regional differences in grammar and pronunciation.

Obviously Gaeilge and Cymraeg.

Don't. I'm only here because I spotted it.

I’m not quite sure why the removal of juries is needed - the issue is the backlog of cases, so they need to make sure they conduct more of those trials.

Having done jury service once (and about to do it again in January), the striking thing is that the court doesn’t sit till around 10.30am and finishes at 4.00pm. While I’m sure there’s stuff going on at the beginning/end of the day, surely just by extending the day by an hour at each end, more cases could be heard? Obviously people have to travel to/from the court, but it’s no different from having to be at work by 9.00am or finishing at 4.30pm.

I’d go even further, and extend the day so that there are trials in the evening as well. Till the backlog is reduced. That would also mean that more potential jurors could be recruited - people who have different shift patterns, for example.

Sorry, I've only just read your update evenstar - I'm so sorry the news wasn't what you were hoping for. Sending you and your husband much love 💐

But having said all of that, my experience of jury service has led me to have great anxiety and concern about the genuine contribution of ‘peers’. Prejudice and ignorance was all to the fore in both the cases I sat on. (Except for me, obviously )

There has actually been an increase in sitting days since the end of the pandemic but the backlog is so vast that it will take more than extending the day.

We need more courts open. We have courts closed because they are falling down/have asbestos/lack functional heating or plumbing or have plumbing that floods cells! More staff for those courts. Better infrastructure for moving prisoners around. Better tech. More barristers.

It really needs vast investment across every area.

I did actually think the Leveson suggestions were a helpful means to begin the process of cutting the backlog. But Lammy has gone beyond the review.

I see there is an interesting thread on MN about probation services - truly a Cinderella service if ever there was one. I know that some more money has been put into probation but it just needs so much more.

All these services which have been run down or just not received enough attention (because for years the Government of the day was focusing on bloody Brexit and swapping PMs).

And scheduling trials is difficult - you never know when a trial might collapse or witnesses go AWOL etc. People change plea. Inevitably there will be times when courts are empty or closed early.

Thanks - I’ll add it to my knowledge base! I’m a learner, so totally likely to be wrong - I may have misheard due to accent or something and then fixed t*e error in my head!
I think @BestIsWest ’s first language mum said as much.
I was pondering and think it’s because of the past passive construction ‘cafodd ei’ - which is of course he not it, but looks similar on the page if you see what I mean!

Probation services should never have been put out for private contract. Often courts are in session only for the prisoner not able to turn up due to lack of staff. A waste of everyone's time and money.

Thanks for the new thread.

I can only claim Welsh Great Grandparents - Criccieth and Wrexham!

Cat 2 in her mansion - but she's refusing to pay any extra tax.

@placemats , the regional differences on Welsh aren't grammatical, but in the words used and pronunciation.
Some regional grammar is poor grammar not a variation in grammatic rules.

Where I'm from, there's a tendency to stray into an English phrase structure, but although it is common, it's not correct. (cf .Ain't got no grammar neither)

Variations in pronunciation are things like vowels sounding different or s sounding like sh. I can't get my head round people in some areas saying OK as Ock-air.

Variation of words might be:
Correct: 'A wyt ti eisiau cwpanaid o de?' (Do you want a cup of tea?)
North: 'T'isio paned?'
South 'Ti moyn dysgled?'
(Both are more 'Wanna cuppa?' but to a northerner the south walian sounds like 'are you seeking a bowlful?')

@cardibach , Cafodd ei looks like the start of something like 'Cafodd ei eni yn ...' (He was born in ...) or 'Cafodd ei adeiladu yn ...' (It was built in...).
The ei in those isn't the pronoun. If you wrote out the sentences formally, they'd be 'Cafodd ef ei eni yn...' and 'Cafodd ef ei adeiladu yn...'

The word for it will be hi or ef, depending on the subject or object. A cat is feminine, a dog masculine etc.

In my examples, if the person or building is feminine, the word for born or built will be slightly different: 'Cafodd ei geni yn...' ,'Cafod ei hadeiladu yn...'

Thanks for the explanation @Notonthestairs - that all makes sense. You’d have thought, though, that the Tories would have wanted to invest more in the justice system, so that more people could be locked away!

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This is good

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Ahahahahaha, local business that recorded themselves sticking a load of Union Jacks to lampposts all about town are currently pissing and moaning about finally Finding Out.

Very sorry to hear about your DH @Evenstar 💐 Hoping the new test results give a manageable and positive way forward.

Right, that’s it, I’m moving to Scarborough!

Once again, I remind people that perfect justice doesn't exist.

Once you accept that you are merely discussing the various prices of imperfect justice.

I prefer the price that allows a tiny sliver of society to challenge the laws that govern us all over the price that means miscarriages of justice only ever serve the state.

We still haven't yet Found Out what flags do to house prices.

It's going well

Zarah Sultana boycotts first day of Your Party conference over 'witch hunt' expulsions

Splitters.

Ballpark figure is -£10,000 isn’t it? I don’t really care, we’re that weird type of family who just bought a house to live in and not as an investment, many, many years ago. I’d happily sell it for what it cost us 27 years ago to someone who wanted to convert it into a HMO specifically to piss off the racist flag-hoisters.

The last crop of Tories have caused this country so many problems.
And yet we are still swayed by a "posh " voice.
I'm sure some people vote Tory because they think it makes them "posh" by association.

Also, the class system has caused this country so many problems.
In my opinion.

The last crop of Tories have caused this country so many problems.

If only it were that simple.

Engineers will know how resonance works. The UK has managed (possibly not uniquely) to settle into a harmonic where the damage comes to a head out of phase with the ability to correct it.

The problem is the Tories relied on that without remembering that since Brexit they are an electoral irrelevance. And vacuum abhorring nature found Reform under a rock to take their place.