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Labour isn't working - Thread 21

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TheNuthatch · 23/11/2025 09:49

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 13:17

Below, published in full, is a letter sent from a Telegraph reader to Chancellor Rachel Reeves detailing concerns about the upcoming Budget and what it could mean for workers in her position.

Dear Rachel Reeves,
Before you stand up in Parliament and announce your Budget, here is one last plea to change course.

You have explained to us – endlessly – that those with the broadest shoulders must bear more of the burden to fix the foundations of the broken economy you inherited.
Yet I am the definition of a working person that you claim to protect. I was raised on a council estate and educated in the state system. I entered the workforce at the age of 21 and have worked tirelessly and continuously for more than three decades.

The only breaks I have taken were maternity leave when I had my two children. I have worked through illness and loss, and left my children in the care of others while I have done it.

Everything I own is the result of personal effort. I have not received a single penny from anyone – not from luck, an inheritance windfall, or generational wealth through the Bank of Mum and Dad.

I am now 54 and earn £125,000 pre-tax, £25,000 of which is sacrificed for pension contributions to avoid the pernicious 60pc tax rate. I support my eldest child at university and have withdrawn my other child from private school due to the punitive VAT charges on school fees. It pained me to do so but I cannot afford the increase.

For most of my working life I have not saved into a pension, preferring instead to invest in a home and in my children’s education.

My home is in council tax Band G with an estimated value of £2.5m, although it is heavily mortgaged. I bought it in 2019 for £1.4m plus stamp duty. The value has risen as a result of extensive renovations, which were done at significant personal and emotional cost.

Your upcoming Budget appears to target me with an almost surgical precision. Nearly everything that has been briefed to the press will impact my finances.

I have tallied up exactly how much this Budget will cost me according to all the briefings in the papers so far. I estimate that extending the freeze on income tax thresholds, a “mansion tax”, a £2,000 cap on salary sacrifice, plus the impact of going back into the £100,000 tax trap, could cost me up to £9,000 a year.
This represents roughly 13pc of my current take-home pay before any allowance for inflation, the cost-of-living crisis, or any other money grabs you have left in your red box.

I also drive an electric vehicle as I care about the planet we are leaving to our children. For this, I risk being subjected to a punitive pay-per-mile charge.

Given the eye-watering cost of my mortgage and other financial responsibilities, the only way I could possibly absorb the additional tax would be to suspend my pension contributions.

You surely agree that this would be disastrous for me, given my age and lack of pension savings.* *It also means I risk becoming a burden on the state, an outcome that helps no one. I imagine I’m far from alone in this situation.

In an effort to rescue the nation’s finances you appear to have decided to take more from the workers you promised to support and disregard any measures aimed at controlling spending.

You have already awarded public sector workers wage rises, without any requirement to increase productivity. Which seems somewhat counter-intuitive when your Government’s ambition is growth.

Your message to me is clear: work hard, save, invest, aspire to support your family – and your broad shoulders will be punished for it.

My message to you is equally clear: This is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I cannot take on any more tax rises, and I doubt these will be your last.
For earners like me the only sensible option left is to leave the UK. So I am making enquiries and come Wednesday will be following your speech closely to see if my next move is abroad.

– Anon

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SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 13:27

DancingFerret · 23/11/2025 10:45

On AIBU someone has started a thread saying money is just paper, so the best thing to do to solve poverty is print more paper. I'd like to think she's a troll but I'm not sure.😬

Maybe they could be our next Chancellor?

Same grasp of economics….

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 13:32

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 12:01

The Times is running with the headline that the benefit cap will be scrapped. It won’t be wanted by most. People will be angry.

FT - posting all these for info.

Rachel Reeves has been urged by the Conservatives to show some “backbone” and control welfare spending in next week’s tax-raising Budget, as she prepares to spend over £3bn on ending the two-child benefit cap. The chancellor has indicated to Labour MPs that the cap, introduced by the Tories in 2017, will be lifted in her Budget on Wednesday, in spite of her private reservations and fears in Downing Street about the political fallout of the move.

“There will be good news in the Budget,” said one minister who has campaigned for the full lifting of the cap. One Labour MP said: “We’ve been told to expect the cap will be lifted, which is the right thing to do to fight child poverty.”

Reeves and Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, have led the government’s efforts to cut Britain’s welfare bill, but they have been forced to retreat by an increasingly restive Labour party. McSweeney has long argued that increasing benefits for large families might be popular with Labour MPs but that it is highly unpopular with voters.

A YouGov survey in July found 59 per cent favoured keeping the cap, with only 26 per cent wanting it to be abolished.

I think this policy alone will seriously backfire….

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Catatemyhomework · 23/11/2025 13:45

I wonder if we can seek asylum somewhere else? Persecution for working

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 13:45

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 13:32

FT - posting all these for info.

Rachel Reeves has been urged by the Conservatives to show some “backbone” and control welfare spending in next week’s tax-raising Budget, as she prepares to spend over £3bn on ending the two-child benefit cap. The chancellor has indicated to Labour MPs that the cap, introduced by the Tories in 2017, will be lifted in her Budget on Wednesday, in spite of her private reservations and fears in Downing Street about the political fallout of the move.

“There will be good news in the Budget,” said one minister who has campaigned for the full lifting of the cap. One Labour MP said: “We’ve been told to expect the cap will be lifted, which is the right thing to do to fight child poverty.”

Reeves and Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, have led the government’s efforts to cut Britain’s welfare bill, but they have been forced to retreat by an increasingly restive Labour party. McSweeney has long argued that increasing benefits for large families might be popular with Labour MPs but that it is highly unpopular with voters.

A YouGov survey in July found 59 per cent favoured keeping the cap, with only 26 per cent wanting it to be abolished.

I think this policy alone will seriously backfire….

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Catatemyhomework · 23/11/2025 13:49

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 13:45

Same

Yeah, it's going to go down like a cup of cold sick, especially for those being asked to pay more.
We'll have a situation where people not working will be on higher income than those of us who already lost child benefit due to the HIC. That can't be right. How can they remove child benefit from families with lower take home pay than people not working?

justasking111 · 23/11/2025 13:50

MeouwKing · 23/11/2025 11:23

A drive though the countryside to sober up?😀

Well cheek y @MeouwKing at 3am exhausted with lack of sleep. I poured a brandy which I haven't had for years, Sheesh, it's fiery, a home made mince pie, a twix. After consuming those I slept like a baby.

Legolava · 23/11/2025 13:53

Catatemyhomework · 23/11/2025 13:49

Yeah, it's going to go down like a cup of cold sick, especially for those being asked to pay more.
We'll have a situation where people not working will be on higher income than those of us who already lost child benefit due to the HIC. That can't be right. How can they remove child benefit from families with lower take home pay than people not working?

It is not going to go down well. Seriously, I’d rather they diverted this money to schools. There is more chance of the up levelling desired for these children.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 13:55

Legolava · 23/11/2025 13:53

It is not going to go down well. Seriously, I’d rather they diverted this money to schools. There is more chance of the up levelling desired for these children.

Yep

Forgetmenot9 · 23/11/2025 14:18

Legolava · 23/11/2025 13:53

It is not going to go down well. Seriously, I’d rather they diverted this money to schools. There is more chance of the up levelling desired for these children.

Despite what the Labour party say, children are not at the heart of this policy. If they were money would go to schools or food vouchers or building more reasonable housing.

Rivalled · 23/11/2025 14:23

Think a lot of us would prefer money went to kids in poverty in ways which bypassed putting more into the hands of people that have a history of poor decision making…

Forgetmenot9 · 23/11/2025 14:28

@SouthernAccents I can really relate to this letter. We have had no windfall in life, but have both worked hard - particularly DH in a stressful job with long hours. Our 20s were spent paying off student loans, then nursery and finally when we are at the point where we can start properly building pensions I feel like we are being punished for that too.

Everyone should contribute to society in some way.

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 14:31

Forgetmenot9 · 23/11/2025 14:28

@SouthernAccents I can really relate to this letter. We have had no windfall in life, but have both worked hard - particularly DH in a stressful job with long hours. Our 20s were spent paying off student loans, then nursery and finally when we are at the point where we can start properly building pensions I feel like we are being punished for that too.

Everyone should contribute to society in some way.

We are aligned.

In essence we are being punished for having had the temerity to work hard, to save and to contribute to society.

And now it’s all being transferred to the feckless, and those who have made one bad life choice after another.

All so that Labour can try to remain in government.

ReevesRuinedChristmas · 23/11/2025 15:00

@SouthernAccents good letter

Agree with it even though I'm in a far far lower bracket to her.

However I don't get the part about being a burden on the state couldnt she sells her house ? Heavily mortgages but must have decent equity. .
Anyway it won't move reeves.

ReevesRuinedChristmas · 23/11/2025 15:03

@SouthernAccents Some are feckless ,many are hopeless let down by society, parents and school and to many are simply cunning .
Cunning, ruthless with different ethics and no loyalty or care for our country at all. Just a ruthless criminal attitude to milk us for as long as they can. And with an entitled attitude to boot.

ReevesRuinedChristmas · 23/11/2025 15:07

I can't understand lifting the cap when they can unfreeze the personal allowance which would benefit "working people " and their DC esp those on lower wages !!

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 23/11/2025 15:16

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 14:31

We are aligned.

In essence we are being punished for having had the temerity to work hard, to save and to contribute to society.

And now it’s all being transferred to the feckless, and those who have made one bad life choice after another.

All so that Labour can try to remain in government.

Exactly.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 15:46

People seem to be losing it. Are they realising tax payers might not hang around after all.

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 15:48

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 15:46

People seem to be losing it. Are they realising tax payers might not hang around after all.

What, selfish greedy taxpayers?

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 15:49

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 15:48

What, selfish greedy taxpayers?

Bizarre. Just that they make me sick stuff

What? Have they just realised people will go. Thanks to Labour policies.

Forgetmenot9 · 23/11/2025 15:50

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 15:48

What, selfish greedy taxpayers?

We should all feel ashamed of ourselves! Having money to pay tax - what a cheek!

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 15:50

Yes I think it's never occurred to them before 🙄 But they don't accept it now either, even when faced with evidence to the contrary.

Legolava · 23/11/2025 16:12

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 15:50

Yes I think it's never occurred to them before 🙄 But they don't accept it now either, even when faced with evidence to the contrary.

The cognitive dissonance is something to behold. It’s not happening, never has, never will. Taxpayers leaving make me sick. Erm what?

Is there a special code with Labour supporters? Can’t defend the shocking decisions? Deny, deny, deny. Can’t deny anymore? Hurl personal abuse and try and shut any conversation down.

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 16:13

Legolava · 23/11/2025 16:12

The cognitive dissonance is something to behold. It’s not happening, never has, never will. Taxpayers leaving make me sick. Erm what?

Is there a special code with Labour supporters? Can’t defend the shocking decisions? Deny, deny, deny. Can’t deny anymore? Hurl personal abuse and try and shut any conversation down.

Yep that is the code. Seen it repeatedly since the election.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 16:16

Legolava · 23/11/2025 16:12

The cognitive dissonance is something to behold. It’s not happening, never has, never will. Taxpayers leaving make me sick. Erm what?

Is there a special code with Labour supporters? Can’t defend the shocking decisions? Deny, deny, deny. Can’t deny anymore? Hurl personal abuse and try and shut any conversation down.

Yes there is

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