Labour isn't working - Thread 21

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I am just really tired. I am so tired. Classroom trashed again, more violence. Children who should be in alternative provision can’t get it. Education is so underfunded. We then have the children failed by state underfunding who now cannot be in private schools. The whole system is in crisis. Crushing the private sector to redistribute is doing NOTHING. I am so cross. All these parents who are constantly down the pub, tattoos, drugs, smoking. Social services are underfunded and can’t step in. HOW is lifting the cap helping these children who are being let down by every adult in their life. I see it every day and it is why lifting the cap makes me so angry. It will solve nothing. It will academically lift children out of poverty so socialists can pat themselves on the back. These children won’t be better off. It’s the faux impression of doing good that annoys me. These children will still suffer.

This money needs to go to schools. The private sector needs supporting to fund the state. No more money to go to parents who cannot be bothered with their children thank you.

But pretty Ofsted cards and ruining the higher Ed and private sector with taxes should sort it. Charlatans.

Jesus, 15 threads, that must have been depressing. Feels like someone should fetch you a pint and a seat by the fire.

"These children won’t be better off. It’s the faux impression of doing good that annoys me. These children will still suffer" 👏👏👏
Well said. It's the virtue signalling of "free breakfasts" over doing something meaningful like bringing back SureStart. I was extremely angry when SS scheme was closed. It taught parents how to be better which is much more effective than just chucking money at people.

Yes! On paper, these children who I see suffer every, single day, will no longer be in poverty. Will the money go to them? No. Children kept in homes where social services are too underfunded to intervene. These children will be helped and supported, blah blah. No they won’t. They will be left to suffer in silence because they are no longer in poverty on paper. Gah! It makes me so angry for them. They are being failed, left, right and centre.

Hello! I've just realised I've changed names since I last posted, so you won't recognise me, but I'm a poster of long duration.

Sorry to hear that, sounds like a really shit day. I hope nobody was hurt? I take my hat of to you, been there, got the t shirt.
You're right about giving feckless parents more money. They're not gonna start reading with their kids because they're getting an extra £20. I could spot these kids from day one at nursery and it was never about poverty. Its so sad.

Yeah, I am ok. Just tired of it. This is the thing. It’s really hard to explain unless you really have seen it. Money will not help these children, it will be wasted and in will just mean the real suffering goes under the radar. It’s ok though socialists can say on paper they have eradicated child poverty. Sorry about my soap box. It makes me so cross as it is not helping these children :(

That's dreadful. Hope you are okay. Has it always been like this or is this escalating?

^^You know when you try to be friendly and then you read it back ten minutes later and you realise it comes across as dead sarcastic? 😬 Sorry @zurigo

Doesn't look like people are in a very forgiving mood. Reeves breaking the manifesto would/ will be seen as more damaging than the LibDems reverse on uni fees and Partygate. And the Liz Truss mini budget and PPE scandal.

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Starmer is already lower than Boris at lowest so it’s not surprising.

I agree with this. I think Sure Start and even free breakfast club (although I hate the way they're promoting it) are sensible ways to support children in poverty. Throwing money at irresponsible parents is not going to give those children a better childhood really, and anyone having three plus children they can't afford to support is pretty feckless IMO. Obviously if it's down to a sudden change in circumstances then it's a different thing again, but the majority won't be and the money isn't going to do anything to break that cycle. It's so frustrating.

Worse, much worse.

I’m so sorry. I understand this and hear you.

Actually breakfast clubs don't really work as the average take up is 20% and those 20% aren't from families who aren't feeding their DC breakfast.

Nigel Farage is at a rally in our local town today. I've been reading the comments on the local FB group. It's all reform hate. Labour plaid love fest. Not one pro comment. I suspect that us further right voters are keeping quiet because we'd receive so much abuse. That doesn't mean that we agree with the comments. Just that we don't want to be trolled across the app. They're a vindictive lot.

Its not even fantastic at the Girls Grammar School in Lincolnshire, where my Sister as well as being a farmer in her 'Spare time' is head of Sixth Form. She says that they are having problems and behavior issues that were totally unheard of before Covid'.

Yeah, the ones who show up to ours are the tiny minority of children of working parents. Those children who don’t get fed and don’t get their clothes cleaned. They rock up to school when they feel like it (if at all) when their parents remember they have children. The breakfast clubs is another virtue signalling, “look at us” moment. It’s not helping these children who are actually going hungry.

Yes I've always found it weird how left wing people can shout their politics from the rooftops but right wing people doing the same are akin to skinning kittens. It's so infuriating. Most right wing people I know say nothing and just get on with it. The left are always up in arms about something. I have friends across both BTW.

Yeah, best keep your head down. I'm sure if you went in there complaining that he wouldn't properly tackle the necessary welfare cuts you'd be on a hiding to nothing.

ustasking111 · Today 18:52
Nigel Farage is at a rally in our local town today. I've been reading the comments on the local FB group. It's all reform hate. Labour plaid love fest. Not one pro comment. I suspect that us further right voters are keeping quiet because we'd receive so much abuse. That doesn't mean that we agree with the comments. Just that we don't want to be trolled across the app. They're a vindictive lot.

The Vocal Minority which will be exposed in the Welsh Elections..

The same characters that went nuclear when Wales voted for Brexit. Everyone was gobsmacked at this result.

I've heard that this polling was the reason that Reeves rowed back unexpectedly on the income tax rise.

I suspect that us further right voters are keeping quiet because we'd receive so much abuse.

Yes and then as you say, the left wingers can’t believe it when their parties lose. When did the ‘shy Tory’ thing start, I wonder - or maybe it’s always been around.