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Thread 38 Starmer: Tax your Hamster

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DuncinToffee · 19/11/2025 15:22

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BIossomtoes · 20/11/2025 15:17

PandoraSocks · 20/11/2025 13:03

"You've made nine policy decisions, reducing the fiscal shortfall by £47.8bn. Your advisers think the backbenchers will accept the budget, and the markets will not be overly troubled. Because this is a silly game and not real life, you can keep fiddling and making as many screeching u-turns as you like. In real life, eventually you have to take it to parliament ..."

If I can do it, so can RR 😅 I didn't even cut spending and I abolished the two child benefit cap. I didn't introduce a mansion tax or penalise higher rate tax payers. I put tax up by 1p across the board. I abolished the NI increase.

I think my choices must have been identical to yours because I saved the same amount. The markets and backbenchers were happy with me too.

bombastix · 20/11/2025 15:21

Interesting game… I went with gambling tax, bank tax, changing higher rates on council tax, reversed the NICs cut and also cut overseas spending.

28.9 billion reduction. I too would put regulate gambling out of existence. I didn’t like Labour liberalizing it in the late 90s.

pointythings · 20/11/2025 15:31

£77 billion reduction here. Back benches unhappy. Hard yes to gambling tax, agree ig should never have been liberalised.

SerendipityJane · 20/11/2025 15:44

Personally I'd raise the tax threshold significantly to remove the dependence on tax credits. (It would be a very slow move towards a universal income).

The problem I will always have, the further left you go is that I do think people should be free to spend what they earn on what they like (hence my rather confusing antipathy to market distortions like the ticket resale kludge).

However I also think that if you left people to their own devices you end up with formalised tyranny.

As with the Buddhism of my youth, I prefer the middle way ....

PickAChew · 20/11/2025 15:49

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 13:42

Kent Council could do with a helpful tool

Kent council report £46.5m overspend following Reform takeover
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/kent-council-report-46-5m-overspend-following-reform-takeover-400497/

They're not short of tools.

SerendipityJane · 20/11/2025 15:54

PickAChew · 20/11/2025 15:49

They're not short of tools.

Yes, but they'll just blame the previous administration and get away with it.

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 15:54

PickAChew · 20/11/2025 15:49

They're not short of tools.

😂

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placemats · 20/11/2025 15:56

PickAChew · 20/11/2025 15:49

They're not short of tools.

Brilliant 👌

itsgettingweird · 20/11/2025 16:09

ilovesooty · 20/11/2025 13:49

I'm now imagining Reeves sitting watching TV at home and playing the Guardian budget game. 😁

Poor woman looks like she needs to out her feet up!

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:10

A damning Covid Inquiry Report, too little, too late

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/20/too-little-too-late-damning-report-condemns-uk-covid-response

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dontcallmelen · 20/11/2025 16:11

PickAChew · 20/11/2025 15:49

They're not short of tools.

😂 Ain’t that the truth.
same outcomes as Pandora & Blossom hard agree gambling tax should never have been liberalised, it’s an awful addiction.
i wander onto S&B/Property/Home Dec some TV threads & lurk on the Trump/Biden election long running thread don’t post though as very knowledgeable posters & I know some of you from here also post so think you’ve probably had enough of me & my musings.

dontcallmelen · 20/11/2025 16:12

Just heard a bit on the radio Duncin roundly condemning.

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:18

A “toxic and chaotic” culture inside Boris Johnson’s Downing Street – which it said the then PM. actively embraced – in which loudest voices held sway and women were sidelined.

But he was a lovely clever buffoon with funny hair Hmm

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ilovesooty · 20/11/2025 16:25

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:18

A “toxic and chaotic” culture inside Boris Johnson’s Downing Street – which it said the then PM. actively embraced – in which loudest voices held sway and women were sidelined.

But he was a lovely clever buffoon with funny hair Hmm

If I hear my friend say once more that "They're all as bad as each other" I'm going to lose it big time. Johnson should be in prison.

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:27

Unsurprisingly, Cummings seem to be at the centre of this toxic and sexist culture.

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PandoraSocks · 20/11/2025 16:27

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:18

A “toxic and chaotic” culture inside Boris Johnson’s Downing Street – which it said the then PM. actively embraced – in which loudest voices held sway and women were sidelined.

But he was a lovely clever buffoon with funny hair Hmm

But Keir's beer etc.

dontcallmelen · 20/11/2025 16:29

ilovesooty · 20/11/2025 16:25

If I hear my friend say once more that "They're all as bad as each other" I'm going to lose it big time. Johnson should be in prison.

my cousin does this if he wasn’t family I’d do the same, Hancock & a few the others should also join him.

dontcallmelen · 20/11/2025 16:33

Most of us could see what was happening by late January early February especially with the news coming out from Italy.

Efacsen · 20/11/2025 16:34

Lockdown a week earlier could have saved 20,000 lives

DuncinToffee · 20/11/2025 16:35

Efacsen · 20/11/2025 16:34

Lockdown a week earlier could have saved 20,000 lives

That is going to be so hard to read for anyone who lost someone Flowers

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SerendipityJane · 20/11/2025 16:36

£25,000 gone missing

I post the story for this gem:

HMRC cited her on a list of "deliberate tax defaulters" who had purposely not paid tax bills over £25,000.

I wonder how much that totals up to ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5059j9qj3o

Kirsty Buchan looks over her shoulder. She has blonde and brown hair tied in a plait and is wearing a white and black striped vest top.

Teacher struck off for OnlyFans page fined £25,000 for unpaid tax bill

HMRC accused Kirsty Buchan of failing to pay more than £38,000 in tax over a 12-month period.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5059j9qj3o

ilovesooty · 20/11/2025 16:39

PandoraSocks · 20/11/2025 16:27

But Keir's beer etc.

And of course the people who've had it in for Labour criticised Starmer for wanting a more proactive approach to lockdown.

If Johnson had acted sooner in the first place they might have got a grip on it and not had to close schools the second time.

It's bad enough that so many people died but children suffered more than they had to because he just didn't take it seriously enough.

itsgettingweird · 20/11/2025 16:53

Yeah that “I’ve been going around hospitals shaking hands with people” takes on a whole new meaning when that lack of seriousness resulted in 20k unnecessary deaths Angry

Evenstar · 20/11/2025 16:57

Thinking today of all those who lost someone unnecessarily, especially my cousin who couldn’t be with her dad when he was dying, my friend who had to sit in a car park with three of her siblings as her mother was dying with her sister holding a phone up so they could see her.

Johnson and his team at No 10 should be pariahs for the rest of their lives for what they did.

ilovesooty · 20/11/2025 16:58

Charge him, Cummings and Hancock with manslaughter.

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