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Thread 38 Starmer: Tax your Hamster

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DuncinToffee · 19/11/2025 15:22

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PickAChew · 27/11/2025 09:35

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 09:12

What's the biggest outrage?

Lifting children out of poverty or mansion tax

Both include the line "I've worked hard all my life"

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 09:40

Net migration fell sharply agaim to 204,000 in the year to June 2025, having been 344k in 2024 and 848k in 2023.

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countrygirl99 · 27/11/2025 09:52

No doubt the claim will be that's because all the millionaires are moving to Dubai.

Lalgarh · 27/11/2025 09:53

Reaction so far is a mix of "it's fake"/ "they're already all over here" / "how many have left tho".

Evenstar · 27/11/2025 10:05

One thing I do agree with on the benefit cap issue is that there are too many absent fathers not paying for their children, one person commented that we shouldn’t be blaming the parent who is still there caring for their children.

Likewise when we see a two parent family who are working long hours we should be blaming appallingly low wages for their need to claim.

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 10:10

But raising the minimum wage is bad too......

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SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 10:11

Evenstar · 27/11/2025 10:05

One thing I do agree with on the benefit cap issue is that there are too many absent fathers not paying for their children, one person commented that we shouldn’t be blaming the parent who is still there caring for their children.

Likewise when we see a two parent family who are working long hours we should be blaming appallingly low wages for their need to claim.

The ability of men to evade paying - and evade any and all attempts to make them pay - is a testament to the power of solidarity in the male sex that I am afraid women can only aspire to.

Threads on MN clearly demonstrate how enough women (not all) are happy with their lot to be complicit with men in ensuring it's never really discussed, let alone rectified.

SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 10:13

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 10:10

But raising the minimum wage is bad too......

Well if you start from a POV that everything is bad, then of course it is.

Let's be honest, there is no budget that RR could deliver that would not have been blasted.

BIossomtoes · 27/11/2025 10:17

Evenstar · 27/11/2025 10:05

One thing I do agree with on the benefit cap issue is that there are too many absent fathers not paying for their children, one person commented that we shouldn’t be blaming the parent who is still there caring for their children.

Likewise when we see a two parent family who are working long hours we should be blaming appallingly low wages for their need to claim.

The thing is that child maintenance is ignored in assessment for benefits. Theoretically someone could be receiving a huge amount from the absent parent and still be eligible for benefits. I have absolutely no idea why the Tories failed to change this.

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SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 10:34

BIossomtoes · 27/11/2025 10:17

The thing is that child maintenance is ignored in assessment for benefits. Theoretically someone could be receiving a huge amount from the absent parent and still be eligible for benefits. I have absolutely no idea why the Tories failed to change this.

Isn't there a clue in the word "child" there ? It's not intended for the mother.

The current system allows feckless fathers to act like 19th century "lads" - which is why it won't be tackled anytime soon.

And you only have to read a smattering of MN posts about blended families before it bits you like a ton of bricks that some second wives (to use a shorthand) begrudge every single penny their man has to pay for his children.

Maybe that sentiment was more veiled in the past, but like the racism, misogyny (from women) and ableism thay was always there it's now openly displayed (and I get banned for calling it out).

SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 10:39

placemats · 27/11/2025 10:37

All the best to those awaiting results 💐

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgq0kvvzdvo.amp

Read this and my flabber was well and truly gasted.

What's the Rouble exchange rate these days ?

placemats · 27/11/2025 10:40

BIossomtoes · 27/11/2025 10:17

The thing is that child maintenance is ignored in assessment for benefits. Theoretically someone could be receiving a huge amount from the absent parent and still be eligible for benefits. I have absolutely no idea why the Tories failed to change this.

Maintaince payments are already taxed and it's law now to not see them as income when assessing benefits.

BIossomtoes · 27/11/2025 10:40

I know. I don’t understand why.

Lalgarh · 27/11/2025 10:59

Woman's Hour had a feature on the impact of the Budget on women.

The two child cap removal, especially the abolition of the Rape Clause is the biggest but also the increases in minimum wage, given the high female predominance in care work, plus the triple lock, as for many that really is their main income.

Still think the triple is going to be unaffordable long term though, unless some sort of overall income cap / delay to entitlement is brought in

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 27/11/2025 11:07

placemats · 27/11/2025 10:37

All the best to those awaiting results 💐

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgq0kvvzdvo.amp

Read this and my flabber was well and truly gasted.

It almost as though the concept of 'due diligence' never existed.

Deafnotdumb · 27/11/2025 11:38

Maintenance is not included simply because you have a lot of absent parents who lie about their income and the CSA is incompetent.

I am glad the rape clause has been revoked. Lifting the two child limit runs into the benefits cap if you have a larger family, so I think the outrage is misplaced. I am glad to see the extension of the apprenticeship schemes and the increase in minimum wage (even though it impacts my business) as people should be fairly paid and it will lead to more money in the economy. More inflation too, but that's not always a bad thing if you have a lot of debt you are trying to reduce (which the Government does). I am still concerned that the sums do not add up and a lot of the pain is being put off for three years - so these changes will bite in an election year. Lawrence over on the "Comment is Freed" blog on Substack has a good analysis out today.

I do think Rachel Reeves missed a chance to be bold here. The tax system needs overhauling, she has a massive majority and her opposition are in disarray. She could have smoothed out the cliff edges, reformed council tax, simplified allowances, changed VAT or changed the rules on free childcare that puts people off working. Most of the moves would take courage but would also be a net-zero or even a positive cash flow.

Ultimately though, she wanted to satisfy her backbenchers, reassure the markets and keep her job. On that score, the budget delivered - for her.

SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 12:03

I do think Rachel Reeves missed a chance to be bold here. The tax system needs overhauling, she has a massive majority and her opposition are in disarray.

As ever, with Labour, the strongest opposition is ... Labour.

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 12:14

Grin at this thread

https://bsky.app/profile/jameschalmers.bsky.social/post/3m6ky2vri6c2p

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Lalgarh · 27/11/2025 12:23

SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 12:03

I do think Rachel Reeves missed a chance to be bold here. The tax system needs overhauling, she has a massive majority and her opposition are in disarray.

As ever, with Labour, the strongest opposition is ... Labour.

Just on Tuesday I was looking for a clip of ancient politics drama Bill Brand that I saw a clip of a while back. Couldn't find it but it's got a young Labour MP from the Wilson era castigating an old guard colleague selling out the principles of the Attlee era (or possibly the other way round).

It just came up on the news that the actor Jack Shepherd who played him passed away on Monday, spookily

Tangential tedious fact that Attlees grandson plays Kenton in the Archers

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Evenstar · 27/11/2025 13:40

@DuncinToffee 😂

Piggywaspushed · 27/11/2025 13:48

SerendipityJane · 27/11/2025 10:34

Isn't there a clue in the word "child" there ? It's not intended for the mother.

The current system allows feckless fathers to act like 19th century "lads" - which is why it won't be tackled anytime soon.

And you only have to read a smattering of MN posts about blended families before it bits you like a ton of bricks that some second wives (to use a shorthand) begrudge every single penny their man has to pay for his children.

Maybe that sentiment was more veiled in the past, but like the racism, misogyny (from women) and ableism thay was always there it's now openly displayed (and I get banned for calling it out).

The calculation of university loans is fascinating - and different- for university loans . The absent father gets off scot free : but not if he is in another blended family. It is totally based on household income. Full disclosure : it's how I got a full grant back in the Golden Age. To be fair my dad did indeed never give me a penny of any of his wealth so I did deserve it but the idea that the system didn't include him was and is both logical and bizarre.

LlttledrummergirI · 27/11/2025 14:22

I quite like the budget. Time to be bold next year, for now settling everything down is a good thing.

Mel Stride this morning was in cloud cuckoo land.

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