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Labour isn't working - Thread 20

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TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 11:40

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

We are bracing for the budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/11/2025 20:45

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 19:10

I don’t think it will be.

Especially if there is talk of payment to leave, that’s a pull. Not sure if the work status changed maybe not as it hasn’t come up again on threads.

You need to be tough if a deterrent is wanted, grabbing assets whatever they are and 20 year waits are not it. It is awful for those trying to build a life though.

The payment to leave is a tricky one.

On one hand it's cheaper than drawn out appeals, on the other hand it can be an incentive in itself.

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 20:46

TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 20:42

Haha

Tommy Robinson endorsing her obviously touched a nerve.
What did she expect when announcing policies to attract votes from the right?

I didn't like her referencing her own heritage in the commons. It felt like she was using it as cover.

Same. It’s something that’s been used before I think but on welfare stuff iirc

Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 21:04

TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 20:33

We can disagree without knives on here Smile

I agree with you that Denmark have reduced their numbers with these methods. But Mahmood has cherry picked the Danish policies. The forced integration in housing and schools for example has not been adopted here. We don't know whether the same results could be achieved in a different country, or whether we would need to adopt all of their policies to get the same result.

My take is different to yours. I think this is typical of Labour. They want to virtue signal that they have taken X number of refugees and shine their halos. But once here, those same immigrants will be treated badly with assets removed, 20 year waits and continual assessments etc, just to stop votes leaking to Reform. I'd prefer a focus on stopping them arriving in the first place.

Yes we can. Like grown ups … All of my good friends are very strong women. We don’t agree on everything. And in fact properly disagree on some things. And shocker - we’re still good friends! Nuance and debate, always welcome. Incredible :D ❤️

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Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 21:09

TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 20:42

Haha

Tommy Robinson endorsing her obviously touched a nerve.
What did she expect when announcing policies to attract votes from the right?

I didn't like her referencing her own heritage in the commons. It felt like she was using it as cover.

Possibly. But as she said she’s been called a ‘fcking p**i’ often enough to understand racism. She was trying to defend herself against the erroneous and unfounded accusations of racism 🤷‍♀️..

redange · 17/11/2025 21:13

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Some meat on the bone from Farage.

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 21:20

Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 21:09

Possibly. But as she said she’s been called a ‘fcking p**i’ often enough to understand racism. She was trying to defend herself against the erroneous and unfounded accusations of racism 🤷‍♀️..

Ok so Labour can say other policies are racist but these are not.

The hypocrisy is too much for me.

TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 21:42

Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 21:09

Possibly. But as she said she’s been called a ‘fcking p**i’ often enough to understand racism. She was trying to defend herself against the erroneous and unfounded accusations of racism 🤷‍♀️..

Sorry, I disagree again.

I genuinely liked and admired Mahmood until today. I have no doubt that she has experienced racism and I have often sung her praises. Not anymore.

She was more than happy to jump on calling Reform racist for their ILR policies. They were no more racist than the policies she's just announced. Shouting that her policies can't possibly be racist because she has brown skin, but Reform's are doesn't wash.

I also think that her answer to the Lib Dem where she said "fucking p*" was completely out of order. Her tone and response did not match the question. She used those words knowing that she was being broadcast live at 6pm in the evening. I'm glad she was told to apologise. It was a crass attempt to deflect imv.

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Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 22:02

Yes she’s been a hypocrite. Labour are a mess, obviously. They’ve always been hypocrites.. However I do agree with the proposals from her today (nb. Not the taking assets thing people keep mentioning. She never proposed that afaik). To be honest I don’t think either policy is racist (though scrapping the idlr thing is wrong for other reasons). Her proposal is a proposal to try and tackle mass uncontrolled immigration of undocumented males from countries where women are treated as second class citizens, which is having a negative on the uk (and many other parts of Europe).

TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 22:23

Rexinasaurus · 17/11/2025 22:02

Yes she’s been a hypocrite. Labour are a mess, obviously. They’ve always been hypocrites.. However I do agree with the proposals from her today (nb. Not the taking assets thing people keep mentioning. She never proposed that afaik). To be honest I don’t think either policy is racist (though scrapping the idlr thing is wrong for other reasons). Her proposal is a proposal to try and tackle mass uncontrolled immigration of undocumented males from countries where women are treated as second class citizens, which is having a negative on the uk (and many other parts of Europe).

I hope it works.
At least they can't blame the tories if it doesn't.

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SpaceRaccoon · 17/11/2025 22:30

I really wish the left would stop attempting to frame any attempt to control immigration as racism full stop.

It's really unpleasant behaviour to name call and slur ordinary people who have genuine concerns. It's polarising and divisive and gives power and a cause to those we'd probably least want to have either.

The sneering towards working class people who express concern about crime or rapid changes to their areas truly sickens me.

EmeraldRoulette · 17/11/2025 23:06

Dropping in to ask two questions and to make one point

Can somebody show me where Tommy Robinson has endorsed Mahmood because I can't really believe he'd do that

Can somebody show me where Tommy Robinson has said that he believes she is not British, as she claims?

I didn't see it, but if she really did say "f p" then I don't blame her and I think it's good if MPs hear the rhetoric that women of colour like myself are experiencing, partly
as a result of more recent immigration policy.

if Mahmood was not on record as wanting to welcome absolutely everyone, as per the video from 2015, then she would be extremely convincing. I wonder if any journalist will ask her about that.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/11/2025 23:14

@EmeraldRoulette I think it was this:

Labour isn't working - Thread 20
EmeraldRoulette · 17/11/2025 23:23

@SpaceRaccoon thank you

I wouldn't call that an endorsement, but I'm always nitpicking over Parliamentary language. I very rarely watch them for that reason 😂

he really does live rent free in some of their heads, doesn't he? Bizarre.

EmeraldRoulette · 18/11/2025 01:26

Oh, I found it, but I can't link it sorry
He has referred to her as a Pakistani

So her opponents accusing her of being endorsed by him is even more ridiculous.

LupaMoonhowl · 18/11/2025 03:30

SouthernAccents · 17/11/2025 12:31

One of the more popular reader posts on the Guardian.

Labour stood for election as a progressive centre-left party, but are governing as a right-wing white-nationalist party. The party briefings over the weekend were as brutal and racially inflammatory as anything we’ve heard since the days of Powell.

Last summer we were jailing people for racially incendiary comments, but today we have a Home Secretary fuelling hate by falsely claiming that we’ve “lost control of our borders” and that “immigration is tearing the country apart”. Add this to Starmer’s “country of strangers” speech and it’s clear that this government is as devoid of decency as it is of common sense.

People are crying out for structural fairness, affordable housing and the ability to pay their bills. All that Starmer offers is a message of racially divisive doom and a commitment to making the rich richer at the expense of ordinary people. This is an insane lose-lose strategy that guarantees Labour wipeout at the next election — the racists are never getting on board with this government but decent people are disgusted by the lurch to the nationalist right. Starmer has to go.

Hilarious! 😂

SouthernAccents · 18/11/2025 04:22

I think that we all know and accept(?) that Labour are being pulled to the right on immigration by Reform, and by the very real anger amongst a large part of the electorate.

Labour do not really want to be here, and as others have said, we have a Home Secretary who previously signed a letter opposing the deportation of foreign criminals including child rapists, a Foreign Secretary who posed for a photo waving a far left “Asylum Seekers Welcome “ placard and a Prime Minister who was a human rights lawyer who fought for the right of foreign criminals to remain in the UK and for asylum seekers to be given benefits.

As to Mahmood’s ‘f…… p…’ comment, it was gratuitous and unnecessary, and I rather suspect she has been desperate to drop that bomb for a long time.

I am sorry, but I am not optimistic on these latest Labour proposals - either on passing, or on implementation, or on funding. And it appears that Labour would rather commit hari kiri than work with the Tories.

It’s simply another artifice or pretence.

Rivalled · 18/11/2025 05:59

And there you all are! Honestly I have one long day of not working and I’m pages behind!

TenLittleSweetWrappers · 18/11/2025 06:09

@Northquit

But surely you could level a similar argument of ‘oh that was someone else’s fault’ whenever a political party makes a mistake. Surely they take ultimate responsibility for decision making and ensuring that public money is not wasted?

And this doesn’t bode well:

“Councillor Isabella Kemp, who was elected as a Reform councillor, was previously chair of the housing committee – but can’t sit on it anymore since being sacked by her party last week amid internal infighting. She was also vice-chair of the fire authority, which has been thrown into chaos by the latest raft of suspensions by Reform on the council, under leader Linden Kemkaran.”

I would actually vote for ANY party that would likely sort our EHCP crisis. That is my top priority. I think the measure of any great society is how you treat the most vulnerable within that society. So when I see chaos at ReformUK flagship council, and read the following about Reform - I am not liking the direction our country is heading when you look at the polls.

“Reform UK has proposed changes to the education, health and care (EHCP) system as part of a broader Special Educational Needs and Disabilities (SEND) reform. Key proposals include a narrowing of eligibility for EHCPs, with the potential to restrict them to the most severely disabled students, and an emphasis on in-school support through new minimum standards and teacher training, though a firm plan has not been finalised. Families have raised concerns that these proposed reforms could make it more difficult to obtain an EHCP and may prioritise short-term savings over the needs of children with SEND. “

Rivalled · 18/11/2025 06:12

Well lucky for you, Labour have exactly the same idea in EHCPs, on restricting criteria to the truly disabled or whatever horrid fake news speak they dress it up in…no need to wait for reform.

TenLittleSweetWrappers · 18/11/2025 06:17

@Rivalled

It is woeful at the moment but at least my son has a school place.
I don’t want things to get even worse.

Which party will support SEND?

Rivalled · 18/11/2025 06:57

None of them from what I can see but Labour are in power now and have made the situation much worse through school VAT and the EHCP reforms looming, as well as the attacks on young adults failed by multiple services.

It’s a race to the bottom to take away funding from disabled people who are not ‘truly/really/severely’ disabled.

Rivalled · 18/11/2025 07:01

Well I’m glad your ds is ok, my dc are ok but a huge majority of kids and young adults are let down, have been let down and are being fitted up as undeserving and talked about as if they’re simply whingers. By Labour. We’ll see what’s around the corner for BP and her reforms.

if we looked at the long run causes of poor wage growth, poor productivity, reforming the public sector - but no, we’ll continue with this populist Punch and Judy show against various members of society….

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 08:15

SpaceRaccoon · 17/11/2025 22:30

I really wish the left would stop attempting to frame any attempt to control immigration as racism full stop.

It's really unpleasant behaviour to name call and slur ordinary people who have genuine concerns. It's polarising and divisive and gives power and a cause to those we'd probably least want to have either.

The sneering towards working class people who express concern about crime or rapid changes to their areas truly sickens me.

Agree 💯

It really only serves to weaken positions, and shows that they can't engage with sensible debate on real issues. I suppose it’s either stupidity or often, serving a purpose to get what a person / party wants- delegitimising (or trying to), another view.

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 08:15

And on that note I’m mega busy non-working today so best get of this damn phone!

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