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Labour isn't working - Thread 20

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TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 11:40

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

We are bracing for the budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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DancingFerret · 21/11/2025 10:10

TheNuthatch · 21/11/2025 10:08

Labour promised to reduce energy bills by £300, yet they have risen, and are set to rise again in January. Another lie.

Labour's promises. 🙄🤬

redange · 21/11/2025 10:23

At least the Ashes has made me smile this morning.

I see we had the customary visitor at 11.50 last night, I am wondering if 'it' knows how the UK Parliament works in that 'we don't run for Government' We seek Election to become a MP in a local constituency...

If you were either Rachel Reeves or Keir Starmer would you not have had enough now. At what point do these two give up, they must be very weird people who take pleasure in being 'despised' all over the country. Perhaps in their twisted minds, they believe they are the best people for their jobs.

MantleStatue · 21/11/2025 10:30

I'm using Olio and too good to go too.

This week we have had 'breakfast for dinner' every night (toast, eggs, beans) because it's a long way to payday.

But I am one of the rich, and genuinely I always considered myself to be such. No mortgage thank the good Lord and 2 kids in private school. People always scoff at the idea that people like me can be stretched just that too far. We are stretched very far and it will get worse because this payday is the last payday before we lose 70% of our income due to DH;s business moving to the far east. My car is due it's MOT and our cat has to have blood tests mid-December to check out how her cancer is getting on with her medication.

But to read the pro-VAT threads we were just stupid to not have seen the writing on the wall 13 years ago when we entered into the private school system and should have just known that we'd be paying an extra £800 a month for nothing. Plus any other increases this delightful bunch of incompetents have planned.

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redange · 21/11/2025 10:45

CruCru · Today 08:34

I remember reading something Theresa May wrote on grammar schools (it may have been adapted from a speech she gave). It just blew me away, she had ambition for bright children.
It’s also weird that grammar schools are only available in certain places. Kent gets grammar schools but Sussex doesn’t.

Yes it is in areas that were mostly Conservative Controlled , but i think the real reason was certain areas refused to follow the instruction of Harold Wilson/ Tony Crossland to become Comprehensive. Most of even Conservative rural areas become Comprehensive between 1976-1982 . The parents hoodwinked into thinking what Tony Crossland touted them to be in the 1960 s . A Grammar School for all 'Public Information' films were put out for use in Cinemas e.t.c to brainwash the public about.

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SouthernAccents · 21/11/2025 10:51

redange · 21/11/2025 10:23

At least the Ashes has made me smile this morning.

I see we had the customary visitor at 11.50 last night, I am wondering if 'it' knows how the UK Parliament works in that 'we don't run for Government' We seek Election to become a MP in a local constituency...

If you were either Rachel Reeves or Keir Starmer would you not have had enough now. At what point do these two give up, they must be very weird people who take pleasure in being 'despised' all over the country. Perhaps in their twisted minds, they believe they are the best people for their jobs.

I found the FT piece with Reeves, confirmatory.

She is evidently overpromoted, chippy, and vindictive.

Starmer, the same.

I do not possess hate for anyone, but I truly despise this pair.

Rivalled · 21/11/2025 11:05

I could barely get through this -
yet another attempt to make Reeves look relatable. I don’t want to relate to her ‘female in a male dominated’ blah blah, I’d like competence, listening to policy economists who are broad economic growth experts not focused on whoever Reeves thinks her target voter is…

Rachel Reeves: ‘I’m sick of the mansplaining’

www.thetimes.com/article/80d1010a-a389-43da-ad86-554c096b9bbe?shareToken=234c7d7ed61e654d053e1e08c408444d

twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 11:14

SouthernAccents · 21/11/2025 10:51

I found the FT piece with Reeves, confirmatory.

She is evidently overpromoted, chippy, and vindictive.

Starmer, the same.

I do not possess hate for anyone, but I truly despise this pair.

Add Bigot and Raynor to that too

nearlylovemyusername · 21/11/2025 11:55

In other news:

Why developers are worried about 'jaws of death' in England's housing market | UK News | Sky News
Housebuilding in the UK dropped to the lowest level in nine years because of costs and regulations. Who could've thought

Britain’s tax system combines the worst of the US and Scandinavia

"According to the latest figures from the OECD, 45 per cent of top earners’ salaries goes on taxes and social contributions, compared with 29 per cent for the average worker, for a top-to-middle gap of 16 percentage points. Scandinavian gaps come in at about 12 points. Northern Europe’s social democracies tax everyone from bottom to top at a moderately high rate. In Britain, taxes at the top are comparable to Denmark and Norway but the average Briton is taxed less than the average American."

"Successful social democracies spread both taxation and spending across the population. Everyone pays their way and everyone reaps the benefits in the form of high-quality and well-funded public services, fostering socio-economic solidarity with buy-in from the top and bottom alike.

At the other end of the spectrum, the US has lower taxes and public spending, but a far more dynamic economy and strong incentives for work and innovation. Its robust growth means high living standards are no longer confined to the top but increasingly shared across much of the population.

The UK has the worst of both worlds: it collects much less tax revenue from the middle of the income distribution than its European neighbours with better-quality public services, while at the top the combination of high and rising taxes with the abrupt withdrawal of public goods creates bad incentives and resentment all round. The UK’s curious experiment in eating the rich while shrinking the state has left Britons less satisfied with their public services than not only Scandinavians but most Americans, and poorer than not only Americans but most Scandinavians."

Could've saved FT.com some money on this research, I've been posting about this here since last spring

Twinkyinthecity · 21/11/2025 11:57

More of this please! Conservatives win.

“Hale’s been let down for four years. It’s the same as everywhere in Trafford. We’ve got a Labour administration that’s letting us down. It needs passionate local councillors to speak up for the residents.”

Losing Green candidate Ms Weir was magnanimous in defeat, congratulating Ms Shalom. She said: “Thank you so much to all of those who supported us. We’re disappointed not to have made it over the line this time

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DancingFerret · 21/11/2025 12:04

SouthernAccents · 21/11/2025 10:51

I found the FT piece with Reeves, confirmatory.

She is evidently overpromoted, chippy, and vindictive.

Starmer, the same.

I do not possess hate for anyone, but I truly despise this pair.

She's apparently all of those things. Thinking about it relative to the account of KS's "staring" at a junior barrister, I have a feeling that when she was openly crying in PMQs she'd just been on the receiving end of his nastiness.

No sympathy, though, they deserve each other.

Rivalled · 21/11/2025 12:16

@nearlylovemyusername yes, the debate about tax fairness is nothing at all like the gaslighters in Labour portray it as…we get ripped off because we have poorer public services due to low taxes on average earners…

twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 12:18

If only there was something they could do though........

Twinkyinthecity · 21/11/2025 12:20

twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 12:18

If only there was something they could do though........

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Hmm

twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 12:21

Twinkyinthecity · 21/11/2025 12:20

Hmm

🤣🤣

EasternStandard · 21/11/2025 12:36

Twinkyinthecity · 21/11/2025 12:14

And this is directly down to this beyond incompetent spiteful Labour government.

Less household spending and weaker consumer confidence suggest punters are bracing for bad budget news next week.

https://news.sky.com/story/government-borrowing-third-highest-record-in-october-as-people-not-spending-official-figures-13473477

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Yep this is Labour.

SouthernAccents · 21/11/2025 12:44

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justasking111 · 21/11/2025 12:56

Wales had the highest death rate from COVID in 2020. Despite the fact that our lockdowns were much stricter than England's. Were longer than England's. We had police patrol cruisers intimidating us walking outside.

What was the bloody point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15p5d04j9zo

Mark Drakeford, delivering Covid updates to the public during the pandemic. He is standing at a podium, in front of the Welsh government sign, with a Welsh flag on either side of him.

Early Covid response in Wales 'inadequate', report finds

The inquiry's report considers the response of all four governments across the UK to the pandemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15p5d04j9zo

TheNuthatch · 21/11/2025 13:14

justasking111 · 21/11/2025 12:56

Wales had the highest death rate from COVID in 2020. Despite the fact that our lockdowns were much stricter than England's. Were longer than England's. We had police patrol cruisers intimidating us walking outside.

What was the bloody point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15p5d04j9zo

You should start a thread calling for the arrest of Drakeford. There is one already for Johnson. 🙄

How are you feeling? Hope you're on the mend.

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twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 13:16

TheNuthatch · 21/11/2025 13:14

You should start a thread calling for the arrest of Drakeford. There is one already for Johnson. 🙄

How are you feeling? Hope you're on the mend.

If Johnson ever gets arrested then so should Blair + Campbell. 2 wrongs don't make a right but they started an actual war.

TheNuthatch · 21/11/2025 13:19

Rivalled · 21/11/2025 11:05

I could barely get through this -
yet another attempt to make Reeves look relatable. I don’t want to relate to her ‘female in a male dominated’ blah blah, I’d like competence, listening to policy economists who are broad economic growth experts not focused on whoever Reeves thinks her target voter is…

Rachel Reeves: ‘I’m sick of the mansplaining’

www.thetimes.com/article/80d1010a-a389-43da-ad86-554c096b9bbe?shareToken=234c7d7ed61e654d053e1e08c408444d

Was that article supposed to make us warm to Reeves? It didn't work. Does she really think that her unpopularity is down to her being a woman? I couldn't care less whether our chancellor is male or female.

She's touring a college that the tories paid for without her tax hikes and borrowing. 🙄

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EasternStandard · 21/11/2025 13:22

justasking111 · 21/11/2025 12:56

Wales had the highest death rate from COVID in 2020. Despite the fact that our lockdowns were much stricter than England's. Were longer than England's. We had police patrol cruisers intimidating us walking outside.

What was the bloody point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15p5d04j9zo

This just shows the flaws in some arguments.

TheNuthatch · 21/11/2025 13:22

twistyizzy · 21/11/2025 13:16

If Johnson ever gets arrested then so should Blair + Campbell. 2 wrongs don't make a right but they started an actual war.

Yep

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