Labour isn't working - Thread 20

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

We are bracing for the budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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see today that the ‘next round of funding’ is due to the French to ‘stop the boats’- cue a new performative ‘initiative’ to use nets. And you can bet our useless government will fall for that one and dole out more ‘funding’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/france-boats-nets-migrants-small-boats-channel-b2867447.html?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOLsrBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeFb-cG3oa11zfOIyB2fyhIHOTjLXFj1CAjRtYW4UPMiAWWrHB-jj1LkUHSfw_aem_DuefCze9UtzO2sxtq8rdWA#nvl7tsqxxp9q27zwn2qsvcw6nvrjzvo8

Have they forgotten that they are public servants, not our overlords?
Of course north sea workers are going to be pissed off with her.
Incompetent, thin-skinned, arrogant bully. Delusional too.

This strategy’s is taken from Denmark. In 2016 they advertised the policy - on Facebook in different countries and even in local newspapers in different countries - that jewellery would be confiscated when claiming asylum to help fund the costs of housing them. That was the year a million people left Syria and walked to Europe. Putin must have laughed himself silly at the time.

It was a centre left Danish govt that implemented these policies along with several other ‘anti immigrant’ policies. This has been successful in their aims with a reduction in the numbers with asylum claim applications the lowest in 40 years.

Starmer has a hard game to play IMO but key error in making Reeves chancellor who’s gone from smug smile to knowing that there is literally nothing she can say that will go down well. Surprisingly, one financier being interviewed on R4 recently said she had the approval of the market because she had been a BoE economist.

In any event, it’s the gap between the many labour backbenchers who believe in socialism (and some are just plain crazy) and the cabinet reacting to Farage’s use of immigration to create votes for reform that’s a key problem for Starmer. However, none, absolutely none, of the parties appear to have a surfeit of intelligent, knowledgeable and competent people stepping forward as MPs or proposing innovative policies.

That is the Labour take wrt its Denmark centre left not right wing as they’ve been calling everyone else. Or far right and racist even.

Whether it works is another thing. Performatively cruel isn’t great.

JRM on fairness and welfare, making the case that if tax thresholds are frozen then benefit payments should be too.

Makes sense to me.

When this lot were lobbying the electorate the aim was to control, not serve, them.

If it moves like a Dalek, sounds like a Dalek - then it's possibly more sinister than a bollard.

Well of course it is. You can't freeze thresholds + increase taxes for everyone apart from those on benefits whilst simultaneously increasing benefits!! Fucking batshit.
Labour now only represent people on benefits (apart from pensioners obviously).

Hi, can I join please? Labour isn’t working that’s for sure. I can’t stand any of them. Hypocritical low intellect bitter individuals with big chips on little shoulders. They make me feel sick, literally my stomach churns a bit when I see or hear them. I agree with almost all of the posts on here (been reading for ages). There are disrupters and I wonder what their motivation is, they’re not going to change anyone’s mind.

Welcome.🙂

Welcome your feelings are shared

Venturing into philosophy for a moment: Democracy is (used to be) the watchword of the UK, but at this point, when just about the whole nation's very way of life is threatened by a small group of evil incompetents intent on enforcement of their idealogical aims, does democracy as we know it still exist?

I'm actually frightened at the current state of the nation.

Well done Jacob I maybe biased but please a voice of reason. I wonder what happens in the HOP do tories and Labour socialise together or keep to their own lane

@DancingFerret i am frightened too it’s very scary how fast this is happening

Agreed. There’s nothing democratic about a party actively working against the interests of their electorate. Scary stuff, how easily it happens.

(I’m a Northerner, I’ve learnt from this Labour administration that I grew up in poverty apparently. I had no idea, we had a roof over our heads, love, food and heating (gas fire on the wall), blankets, lighting when power cuts weren’t happening etc, who knew. I thought poverty was the slums of eg. India. 👀 State schooled at the worst comp, but now my kids go private. I’m a Londoner these days and we’re surrounded by very wealthy champagne socialists. Oh we were landlords but sold up)

Welcome to The Dark Side @Twinkyinthecity 😜

This is good "the old core Labour vote of the 20th century has simply disappeared, as has the industrial Britain that generated it. That old Britain will never be reassembled. Nor will that form of Labour vote"

In other words, they are still fighting the class warfare of the 1970s in the 21st century. They are stuck in 1970s and can't adapt to the fact that world no longer exists.

Thats why they are so inept, they dont kbie how to function in the modern world

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/20/labour-government-credibility-budget?CMP=ShareiOSAppOther

Jacob’s video is great and all of these things are just obvious. I don’t understand how anyone could watch it and disagree with him. So what are the government doing!!!!

Once people start going to the wall, financially, that’s when I think things might turn ugly.

The consequences from next weeks budget should not be underestimated IMHO.

I sincerely fear slash and burn.

They're taking a lump hammer to society.

It’s entirely plausible.

Im tempted to PM
@TheNuthatch with all I know because it would be far too outing otherwise.

I have very hard verifiable intel on a lot of what we discuss and, put it this way, I had clear knowledge of capital flight and disinvestment last year - in size.

Also RL stories of the impact in the home counties.
I know many of us have been hit and again I extend my love and support.

Socialism is when you take £10,000 from one productive person who works & give £1,000 to 10 people who do not work, and then blame the one productive person for all the country’s problems so the 10 people will vote for you

Then the productive people leave & the system implodes on itself

Upstartled
As you know I am obviously on the right of politics but unlike some people don't think it is a straight line in terms of policies.

Thus, when Jacob Rees Mogg talks about freezing benefits i broadly agree, however what about 'benefits' like Carers Allowance which is appalling at £83 per week.

Secondly Reform are talking about reforms to PIP payments, this will not be easy a process to ensure the right people get protected and. Especially if not carried out by people who actually have knowledge and not just soundbites from Lee Anderson (who i like) to sound hard ! I am a Reform Member but not everything is correct, on the whole yes but they need to understand a 50 year old with disabilities is different to a 20 year old and in-act different policies.

That’s true. Our income has reduced to date - and it sounds like a lot more to come. We’ve (hopefully) secured investments where possible, as not trusting what’s going to happen in the next few weeks / months.

ETA. We can’t move because kids at school exam time etc. We would otherwise.