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Labour isn't working - Thread 20

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TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 11:40

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

We are bracing for the budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. 💙 We are bracing for the budget 😬 ^The problem with socialism is that you eventua...

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Upstartled · 19/11/2025 09:45

Yes, retail is going to struggle, if it isn't already. I popped in my local M&S earlier in the week and by now they usually have a Christmas grotto like area in full swing with the non perishables - wrapping, cards, baubles, gifts and this year there's about a tenth of what's usually there, dumped behind the jumpers. What's going on? It's like the store is depressed and given up. There's only 39 days left.

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 09:48

NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 09:44

Don't talk about dog food. My boy costs a fair amount to feed too. Thankfully he's not a Labrador Labrador as he's not a greedy guts!

And YY to shrinkflation. It's everywhere.

Re turkey, frozen tend to be cheaper, if you've room in your freezer.

Second this re frozen turkeys.
DS doesn't always get here for actual Christmas, so I've done this before. I sometimes need to do an xmas dinner in November or January so can't get fresh. The frozen turkey crowns from Tesco are great 👍

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NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 09:49

TenLittleSweetWrappers · 19/11/2025 09:44

@Julen7

Yes, but I don’t ’keep name changing’ troll-style. It’s happened once! My name hasn’t changed since the last thread.

Mumsnet allows a name change.

It’s the ignore the bot/troll/it/thing etc that I’m asking for clarification on.

Nobody has called you a bot or troll. And 'it' was a few threads ago. Let it go.

We are free to ignore you. MNHQ put that in writing to us. ETA: we're allowed to remind each other of that fact.

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TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 09:52

Upstartled · 19/11/2025 09:45

Yes, retail is going to struggle, if it isn't already. I popped in my local M&S earlier in the week and by now they usually have a Christmas grotto like area in full swing with the non perishables - wrapping, cards, baubles, gifts and this year there's about a tenth of what's usually there, dumped behind the jumpers. What's going on? It's like the store is depressed and given up. There's only 39 days left.

I've noticed this too.
I'm not feeling particularly festive though. Everything is on hold until after the budget.

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Julen7 · 19/11/2025 09:56

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 09:48

Second this re frozen turkeys.
DS doesn't always get here for actual Christmas, so I've done this before. I sometimes need to do an xmas dinner in November or January so can't get fresh. The frozen turkey crowns from Tesco are great 👍

Thanks, yes someone else suggested Tesco turkey crown to me.

SouthernAccents · 19/11/2025 09:56

NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 09:49

Nobody has called you a bot or troll. And 'it' was a few threads ago. Let it go.

We are free to ignore you. MNHQ put that in writing to us. ETA: we're allowed to remind each other of that fact.

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Duly ignoring.

Upstartled · 19/11/2025 09:57

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 09:52

I've noticed this too.
I'm not feeling particularly festive though. Everything is on hold until after the budget.

We have snow today, with the fat floaty flakes of a Hallmark Christmas movie, and I'm indoors today so it feels like a treat. I think my bah humbug vibe is being soothed.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 09:58

SouthernAccents · 19/11/2025 09:56

Duly ignoring.

Yes. That was my last word on the matter to correct factual inaccuracies. It's important those are noted.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 09:59

Upstartled · 19/11/2025 09:57

We have snow today, with the fat floaty flakes of a Hallmark Christmas movie, and I'm indoors today so it feels like a treat. I think my bah humbug vibe is being soothed.

I've been watching those godawful CCFs (cheesy Christmas films). They're all about 85 minutes long, predictable and perfect for soothing a frazzled brain!

@TheNuthatch, meant to say, we've dry and windy weather today: two loads outside. I hope you're still getting your washing out!

SpaceRaccoon · 19/11/2025 10:01

Heavy snow for me today too.
I love the cheesy crap annual Netflix Christmas film.

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 10:06

I absolutely hate snow, even at xmas.

No outdoor drying for me this week. We had horrendous rain and sleet all day yesterday.
Today its just grey, damp and cold.

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redange · 19/11/2025 10:08

Influential Labour Peer Maurice Glasman Addressed Pro-Reform Conspiracy Group’s Conference
Glasman was a keynote speaker at an event hosted by Together, whose leader has accused Keir Starmer of “destroying Britain”.

BySam Bright
onNov 18, 2025 @ 08:06 PST

Labour peer Maurice Glasman in front of an anti-Labour projection produced by the Together Declaration. A DeSmog collage. Credit: Chris McAndrew / Parliament UK (Glasman); Together / Twitter (projection)

High-profile Labour peer Lord Maurice Glasman was one of the keynote speakers at the annual conference of the Together Declaration, a conspiracy theory group with ties to Reform UK.
Together held its fourth anniversary event on 16 November, which featured prominent Reform councillor Laila Cunningham, and former Brexit Party politician Alexandra Phillips.
Together, which also hosted a panel at this year’s Reform conference, was established in 2021 to oppose measures to control the spread of Covid-19, including lockdowns and mandatory vaccines.
The group and its founder Alan Miller have spread misleading claims about the safety of the Covid-19 vaccine, claiming that “we were threatened, nudged, coerced and mandated” into an “experimental” jab.
Together has launched a campaign against the UK’s target of reaching net zero emissions by 2050, claiming it’s a “crazy” policy that is “destroying” Britain. The group has suggested that the aim of “climate alarmism” is to keep the population “in a permanent state of emergency” in order to control our lives. This has fed into unsubstantiated claims from the group that an unaccountable progressive elite is trying to manipulate people via global institutions like the World Economic Forum, and C40 Cities.
Glasman, a Labour peer since 2011, is influential among Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s top team. The Sunday Times reported that Glasman spent several hours advising Starmer’s chief of staff Morgan McSweeney last week. Glasman, a leading figure in the ‘Blue Labour’ movement, is a prominent admirer of Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood, who this week announced a series of policies designed to curb the rights of asylum seekers and refugees in the UK.
Meanwhile, Together is vocally and aggressively hostile to the Labour Party and its current administration. Miller has claimed that Labour has “contempt for us all”, that “Keir Starmer is trying to destroy Britain”, that Starmer is turning Britain “into [a] police state”, and that Starmer and his Chancellor Rachel Reeves are “bandits against [the] British public”.
A spokesman for Lord Glasman said that he “regularly engages with people with whom he does not agree, such as in this case. That’s the nature of politics. He will continue to listen and debate on the work of renewing our country.”
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Other keynote speakers at the Together conference included Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson, who’s a director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, the UK’s foremost climate science denial group. She was joined by Jay Bhattacharya, a Trump-appointed U.S. public health official and one of the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration – the Covid-era manifesto that called for lockdowns to be scrapped and instead for the virus to be allowed to spread through the population.
Speakers also included Montgomery Toms, who has complained online about the supposed “Islamification” of Britain, Renée Hoenderkamp, who has against Covid vaccines for children, and Dan Astin-Gregory, who has promoted that Covid vaccines should “be withdrawn immediately”.
Glasman isn’t the first Labour parliamentarian to forge ties to radical right-wing, anti-Labour groups in recent months. As revealed by DeSmog, Labour MP Graham Stringer, also a GWPF director, recently signed an open letter drafted by a far-right group protesting against the government’s foreign policies.
The Labour Party referred DeSmog to Glasman’s statement. Together didn’t respond to our request for comment.
Together’s Reform Ties
Together has been forging close and active ties to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK over the past 18 months.
Alan Miller joined Farage on the campaign trail ahead of the 2024 general election and has repeatedly praised the Reform leader on social media – in particular his opposition to climate action.
Together also hosted a panel at Reform’s 2025 annual conference in Birmingham. The panel featured the cardiologist Aseem Malhotra, who used a speech at the conference to falsely claim it’s “highly likely” that Covid vaccines were a “significant factor” in the cancers of King Charles and the Princess of Wales.
Reform’s chair David Bull claimed at the conference that Malhotra had helped the party to write its health policies, although later denied this assertion.
Together’s event at Reform conference also featured the protest group Farmers to Action, which works closely with Together.
The leader of Farmers to Action, Justin Rogers, has claimed that “climate change is one of the biggest scams that has ever been told”, propagated by “our governments and their puppet masters.” He has also claimed that oil and gas are renewable, and that carbon dioxide cannot be dangerous because it “feeds plants”.
At an event co-hosted by Together and Farmers to Action in February, Farage endorsed a conspiracy theory popular among the far-right.
The Reform leader insinuated that the Labour government had a “sinister agenda” to acquire “lots of land because they’re planning for another five million people to come into the country”.
This claim is borne from the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory, which holds that progressive immigration policies are a mechanism to replace white people in the West.

Together 4th Anniversary Event! With special guest speakers inc Dr Jay Bhattacharya, Allison Pearson, Alex Phillips, Kaizen Asiedu, Phil Booth + more TBA, 1pm-6pm

Join us at Together's 4th Anniversary Event! Sunday 16 November 2025, London.

https://togetherdeclaration.org/events/4th/

justasking111 · 19/11/2025 10:13

Everyone is rabbiting about black Friday sale. Well if I waited until then you can guarantee either the site would crash or the size colour I want would be gone. So I did a lot of shopping last evening. DH is going to moan about the parcels I'm sure.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/11/2025 10:13

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 10:06

I absolutely hate snow, even at xmas.

No outdoor drying for me this week. We had horrendous rain and sleet all day yesterday.
Today its just grey, damp and cold.

I'm a fellow snow hater!

I got soaked in Liverpool yesterday. The pavements hold water really badly for some reason. I had to paddle to the station when I finished work. Soaked up to my calves!

Bright blue here today. You clearly have the Manchester curse with your weather!

TheNuthatch · 19/11/2025 10:14

I can't see the point of being 'blue labour'.
They might as well just cross the floor. Mahmood is further right than I am.

Anyway, I need to start doing some not-working. Hoping to catch PMQs later.
Enjoy your festive snow those who have it ⛄️

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CruCru · 19/11/2025 10:16

There’s a thing in the Ttimes by Daniel Finkelstein: “It’s now common knowledge - Keir Starmer’s on the rocks”.

“Starmer is in a weak position and everyone knows it. His weakness is mutual knowledge. By briefing about his position, his team turned that mutual knowledge into common knowledge.

By turning mutual knowledge into common knowledge, Starmer’s advisers dramatically reduced the risk of challenging him. Now everyone knows what everyone knows - they aren’t alone in regarding his leadership as in deep trouble. Before, they might have guessed it. Now, it’s a solid certainty.”

DancingFerret · 19/11/2025 10:16

Snow flurries down here in the Deep South this morning, very unusual - and actually quite nice (as long as it doesn't settle).

Reeves with her awful staccato delivery on the BBC this morning: "There are "300,000 more jobs in the economy than at the beginning of the year". Presumably she means public sector jobs because irl redundancy is the word in the street.

Also worth noting inflation might be at 3.6 percent, but food inflation is actually 4.9 percent.

percypiggy200 · 19/11/2025 10:20

I’m so jealous of your snow! No snow in Dubai unfortunately 🤣

SpaceRaccoon · 19/11/2025 10:22

percypiggy200 · 19/11/2025 10:20

I’m so jealous of your snow! No snow in Dubai unfortunately 🤣

Tbf I'd swap the snow for sunshine and low taxes 😂

redange · 19/11/2025 10:24

I obviously don't agree with the opinion of the editor, but Lord Glassman is one of the good guys who no longer belongs in the Labour Party. Glassman is a man of knowledge and sense whose opinions on 'many' issues side far away from the current administration.

For those posting about Tim Davie and his words and comparing them to Farage and his 'alleged' views at 13.

A. The article is based on someones memory who was 13 from 50 years ago hence no evidence (hear say). Therefore, not surprisingly the Mirror covers it self in two ways firstly, it says other than the two whistle-blowers nobody else had any memories about the incidents. Secondly to avoid being 'sued' the Mirror say there is no evidence to suggest Nigel Farage still thinks this way.

B. There is a reason why when young people commit 'crime' or misdeeds that unless they are something like Murder (when a judge will decide) their name and crime is kept silent. Thus, it is total 'immoral' to bring up any immature 13 year old's child opinions or views when they are 60 and try pin those views on them.

I am not interested in Donald Trump because he is not our business and his actions are irrelevant to me, but then again i don't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome !

Upstartled · 19/11/2025 10:24

Thanks @TheNuthatch

I think Glassman is on the right when it comes to immigration but left when it comes to progressive taxation. I'm not sure he sits neatly in the Labour party. He seems quite old school - or, at least, always looks like he's just popped out of the bar. But he is seriously disgruntled at the state of things.

EasternStandard · 19/11/2025 10:31

CruCru · 19/11/2025 10:16

There’s a thing in the Ttimes by Daniel Finkelstein: “It’s now common knowledge - Keir Starmer’s on the rocks”.

“Starmer is in a weak position and everyone knows it. His weakness is mutual knowledge. By briefing about his position, his team turned that mutual knowledge into common knowledge.

By turning mutual knowledge into common knowledge, Starmer’s advisers dramatically reduced the risk of challenging him. Now everyone knows what everyone knows - they aren’t alone in regarding his leadership as in deep trouble. Before, they might have guessed it. Now, it’s a solid certainty.”

Interesting. He really did do it to himself.

Agree re blue Labour politicians in pp, they should just cross the floor.

Rivalled · 19/11/2025 10:31

Yes but how many new workers have come into the labour market in the same time as these 300,000 ‘new’ jobs…we all know things are bad on jobs front this is just posturing from Reeves..

strawberrybubblegum · 19/11/2025 10:34

Upstartled · 19/11/2025 08:53

Reeves to spend £6bn more on benefits

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/72c51e16005e5fc4

Bearing in mind the plan was to decrease the welfare budget by a similar amount and this doesn't include the potential cost of jettisoning the 2 child cap.

Working age benefits will increase by 3.8%... but tax thresholds will remain frozen through this whole period of high inflation. Benefits aren't taxed of course, so the threshold won't touch those.

You can see who the Labour party is run for. And it isn't working people or tax payers.

CruCru · 19/11/2025 10:35

Crumbs, the Money section of the Times is quite sobering. Current headlines are:

  • One in four top rate taxpayers cut back on holidays and luxuries;
  • A second home in Britain is a burden. Here’s where to buy abroad;
  • How much Rachel Reeves’s budget tax raid will cost you;
  • Seven ways the taxman could come for your pension;
  • How to protect your wealth from the omnishambles autumn budget;
  • This looks like a bad budget - but it could soon turn ugly;
  • Parents open record number of Junior ISAs to beat budget tax raids; and
  • Where a “mansion tax” could push council tax bills over £6,000.

I mean, I get that there will be one or two of these sorts of pieces in the run up to a normal budget but to have so many is really damning.

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