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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 10:52

TigerRag · 17/11/2025 10:44

They claimed the reason why we have to be reassessed is because some people on DLA had lifetime awards, got better and didn't inform DWP about this

Whilst there are probably a minority who have improved and not said anything, I don't think it's that widespread

It must have been widespread - they are not going to overhaul the entire system to include reassessments because a minority of people were doing it.

HellsBellsAndCatsWhiskers · 17/11/2025 10:52

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:33

She is helping people fill out disability forms

Not for the mobility element she wasn't. For the care component. She wasn't formally assessing the mobility element and she wasn't helping them apply for the mobility part of the disability allowance. She was helping them fill out the part for care (which they may very well need/be entitled to) which is different to mobility. So she wasn't helping anyone commit fraud.

PropertyD · 17/11/2025 10:55

Why are some people claiming all the claimaints need a car and there is no abuse. For god sake there are even You Tube videos telling you the key words to use!

A PP even stated upthread that what was wrong with someone claiming for a car for someone else as they need to go to work and put food on the table.

These people really dont get it.

THE SYSTEM IS BEING ABUSED. IT IS SPOILING IT FOR THE GENUINELY DISABLED AND IF REFORM GET IN NEXT TIME THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE BACKLASH AGAINST ALL OF THIS ABUSE.

How come we are an outlier in Long Covid, MH issues, being worried and anxious so much so in the UK that the benefits bills is spiralling out of control.

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menopausalfart · 17/11/2025 11:01

@x2boys No, she can't be left alone outside. She has no sense of danger. I use a bus pass for her so she gets free travel.

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 11:01

LemaxObsessive · 17/11/2025 10:14

So you think it’s amusing that a person with a lung condition or with Parkinson’s like I have, might want to to drive a performance car?? Eh? So all disabled people should be driving around in basic Dacia dusters?!!! Do disabled people not have an interest in nice cars? Are we all the same?

High performance cars are a hobby not a neccesity, if a disabled persons wants a high performance car they need to fund it 100% themselves.

I have a Dacia, and so do several of my friends who have to fund their own cars.

TigerRag · 17/11/2025 11:02

PropertyD · 17/11/2025 10:55

Why are some people claiming all the claimaints need a car and there is no abuse. For god sake there are even You Tube videos telling you the key words to use!

A PP even stated upthread that what was wrong with someone claiming for a car for someone else as they need to go to work and put food on the table.

These people really dont get it.

THE SYSTEM IS BEING ABUSED. IT IS SPOILING IT FOR THE GENUINELY DISABLED AND IF REFORM GET IN NEXT TIME THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE BACKLASH AGAINST ALL OF THIS ABUSE.

How come we are an outlier in Long Covid, MH issues, being worried and anxious so much so in the UK that the benefits bills is spiralling out of control.

You would still need evidence though

bluepears96 · 17/11/2025 11:07

I get what you’re saying but it IS frustrating.

My nephew has ADHD. He’s medicated for it but he does really well. He’s ok. He struggled in school but he’s in his early 20’s now and doing his own thing, is happier etc.

I am a HCP and filled out all the forms for him initially as he didn’t know what to include, and then I helped him again recently when they needed renewing.

He gets a motability car!!! It’s brand new!!! He’s has NO MOBILITY PROBLEMS. He only has ADHD!

he’s loves it as a 20 year old from a very deprived area getting about in a brand new swanky car. His mates think it’s wonderful as none of them can afford this.

I suppose I’m glad for him, he’s obviously been assessed as needing it, I’m not sure how that works out, and I do find it shocking that mine, and your tax contributions are paying for it…. There will be thousands of others getting the same deal!

Blissybop · 17/11/2025 11:10

RegusGirl · 17/11/2025 10:34

I don’t think the authorities see it as abuse. If you have an elderly relative, then you deserve money to put down on a luxury car to drive them around.

They do and will see it as abuse. If you are named driver on a car for a disabled person then the car can only be used for their needs. You cannot swan off on it on your own if it doesn’t benefit the disabled person. Any suspected abuse of this and they will fit a tracker on the car to see where it’s going. A young person giving granny their mobility component back in cash every month in order to be driving around in a brand new car is definitely not allowed.

In fact they are clamping down on this pretty hard now and lots of people are having a tracker placed on their car at time of order now if the address on their driving license is different to the address of the person claiming PIP- as they should!

Moonlightfrog · 17/11/2025 11:10

PropertyD · 17/11/2025 10:55

Why are some people claiming all the claimaints need a car and there is no abuse. For god sake there are even You Tube videos telling you the key words to use!

A PP even stated upthread that what was wrong with someone claiming for a car for someone else as they need to go to work and put food on the table.

These people really dont get it.

THE SYSTEM IS BEING ABUSED. IT IS SPOILING IT FOR THE GENUINELY DISABLED AND IF REFORM GET IN NEXT TIME THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE BACKLASH AGAINST ALL OF THIS ABUSE.

How come we are an outlier in Long Covid, MH issues, being worried and anxious so much so in the UK that the benefits bills is spiralling out of control.

Using key words won’t get you mobility. Do you really think it’s that easy? You need medical evidence from professionals who have treated you. My dd needed letters proving diagnosis, letters from her physio who treats her, letters from occupational therapists, a list of medications and treatments. It’s not just about how you word the application. Even with all of the above they still often ask for a face to face assessment or at the very least a phone assessment. Many people are turned down even with this evidence and then they have to ask for reconsideration and provide more evidence. It annoys me that people assume it’s just a case of filling in a form 😬

Blissybop · 17/11/2025 11:13

bluepears96 · 17/11/2025 11:07

I get what you’re saying but it IS frustrating.

My nephew has ADHD. He’s medicated for it but he does really well. He’s ok. He struggled in school but he’s in his early 20’s now and doing his own thing, is happier etc.

I am a HCP and filled out all the forms for him initially as he didn’t know what to include, and then I helped him again recently when they needed renewing.

He gets a motability car!!! It’s brand new!!! He’s has NO MOBILITY PROBLEMS. He only has ADHD!

he’s loves it as a 20 year old from a very deprived area getting about in a brand new swanky car. His mates think it’s wonderful as none of them can afford this.

I suppose I’m glad for him, he’s obviously been assessed as needing it, I’m not sure how that works out, and I do find it shocking that mine, and your tax contributions are paying for it…. There will be thousands of others getting the same deal!

What did you put on the form then? You need 12 points to get a mobility car so you must have put that he either cannot walk or cannot leave the house unassisted.

In my job I’ve seen people with cerebral palsy who can barely walk be turned down high rate mobility…. They aren’t going to give your nephew high rate mobility if you put down he had no mobility problems. That just doesn’t happen. Unless he added it in himself at the end.

Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 11:18

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 10:52

It must have been widespread - they are not going to overhaul the entire system to include reassessments because a minority of people were doing it.

They can still award DLA for years, just not a lifetime.

My son was awarded at 8 until he's about to turn 16 and will need to move to PIP. So an award of 8 years.

LoveSandbanks · 17/11/2025 11:22

MounjaMum · 17/11/2025 10:17

The issue is not about what a Disabled person may or may not want. No one would have an issue whether a disabled person drives a Dacia as you say or a Ferrari if they paid for it from their own money. But if it is being funded by the tax payer, then yes, they should drive a reasonable car that does the job f getting them from A to B safely.

Nobody is driving a Ferrari on motability. Nobody is driving a bmw on motability without a significant up front payment.

A blue badge does not imply the vehicle is a motability vehicle. My son had a blue badge but wasn’t entitled to the higher rate payment. When he did qualify for the higher rate mobility component he was no longer entitled to a blue badge. (I don’t make the rules 🤷‍♀️)

ThisSassyHam · 17/11/2025 11:49

But the point is the cars on the motability scheme are still heavily subsidised using tax payers money.

No one is saying disabled people shouldn’t be allowed a car on the scheme as adaptations and modified vehicles are required for some disabilities.

the issue lies in people getting premium brand cars such as BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc when they could choose a similar spec car with the same adaptations from less premium brands such as Nissan, Peugeot etc.

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 11:51

LoveSandbanks · 17/11/2025 11:22

Nobody is driving a Ferrari on motability. Nobody is driving a bmw on motability without a significant up front payment.

A blue badge does not imply the vehicle is a motability vehicle. My son had a blue badge but wasn’t entitled to the higher rate payment. When he did qualify for the higher rate mobility component he was no longer entitled to a blue badge. (I don’t make the rules 🤷‍♀️)

If they can afford a significant up front payment they do NOT need tax payers money to assist them.
Motability cars should be simple, reasonably priced, possibly bought on a bulk deal by the government (although the government would probably manage to waste money not save money that way), and owned for a reasonable period of time (significantly longer than the current 3-5 years). They don't all need to be identical, but a big fleet of Berlingos and Dacias isn't going to cause disabled people any harm or embarressment.
If a disabled person wants something off list they should buy it themself with NO benefits used at all.

TigerRag · 17/11/2025 11:51

ThisSassyHam · 17/11/2025 11:49

But the point is the cars on the motability scheme are still heavily subsidised using tax payers money.

No one is saying disabled people shouldn’t be allowed a car on the scheme as adaptations and modified vehicles are required for some disabilities.

the issue lies in people getting premium brand cars such as BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc when they could choose a similar spec car with the same adaptations from less premium brands such as Nissan, Peugeot etc.

Edited

It would still cost the taxpayer the same amount regardless of what car the person has

Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 11:59

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 11:51

If they can afford a significant up front payment they do NOT need tax payers money to assist them.
Motability cars should be simple, reasonably priced, possibly bought on a bulk deal by the government (although the government would probably manage to waste money not save money that way), and owned for a reasonable period of time (significantly longer than the current 3-5 years). They don't all need to be identical, but a big fleet of Berlingos and Dacias isn't going to cause disabled people any harm or embarressment.
If a disabled person wants something off list they should buy it themself with NO benefits used at all.

Even a WAV Berlingo requires an up front payment of up to £5k and that doesn't cover any potential adaptations.

minmooch · 17/11/2025 12:07

These discussions are always emotive on both sides. Quite often those against are lucky enough to never have to use a motability car for themselves or a loved one. For those of us who do it’s usually for a reason we would rather not have to.

in my instance my son was disabled due to a brain tumour and disabilities he got from treatment. He had to use a wheelchair. As a single mum I had to give up work to care for him 24/7 (saving the NHS ££££) but I had no income other than Carers Allowance (when he was not in hospital) and his disability benefits (not called PIP back then). The car was a necessity and a god send at a time when all else was going to shit. It was collected within 5 days of his death.

i will be forever grateful that we live in a society that was able to help in this respect in my/his time of need.

Blissybop · 17/11/2025 12:08

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 11:51

If they can afford a significant up front payment they do NOT need tax payers money to assist them.
Motability cars should be simple, reasonably priced, possibly bought on a bulk deal by the government (although the government would probably manage to waste money not save money that way), and owned for a reasonable period of time (significantly longer than the current 3-5 years). They don't all need to be identical, but a big fleet of Berlingos and Dacias isn't going to cause disabled people any harm or embarressment.
If a disabled person wants something off list they should buy it themself with NO benefits used at all.

If they can afford a significant up front payment they do NOT need tax payers money to assist them.

This is a catch 22 PIP is a none means tested benefit but it is also an access benefit. Lots of places ask for proof of receipt of PIP in order for a disabled person to access their services. There’s no disabled register, PIP is more than money and the government need to do something to separate the two.

Octavia64 · 17/11/2025 12:13

Daisymay8 · 17/11/2025 10:45

No other country in the world does this and it is a huge perk that encourages people to claim pIP.

come to that I doubt any other country has the percentage of the population we have claiming the equivalent of pip.

Other countries do have disability benefits.

the U.K. is pretty much the only country to use the functional limitations approach ie looking at what you can do. Most countries use a medical approach (looking at diagnosis and medical reports).

detail here:

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2018/07/foi-18-01623/documents/foi-18-01632-international-comparison-disability-benefits-report-pdf/foi-18-01632-international-comparison-disability-benefits-report-pdf/govscot%3Adocument/FOI-18-01632%2B-%2BInternational%2BComparison%2Bof%2BDisability%2BBenefits%2B-%2BReport.pdf

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 12:15

Blissybop · 17/11/2025 12:08

If they can afford a significant up front payment they do NOT need tax payers money to assist them.

This is a catch 22 PIP is a none means tested benefit but it is also an access benefit. Lots of places ask for proof of receipt of PIP in order for a disabled person to access their services. There’s no disabled register, PIP is more than money and the government need to do something to separate the two.

Okay, so make a choice, drive a reasonably priced functional car funded by the government (tax payer), that is adequate for the rest of the self funded drivers in the country, or have a fancy car funded by yourself and sacrifice your benefits and everything that comes with it.

Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 12:19

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 12:15

Okay, so make a choice, drive a reasonably priced functional car funded by the government (tax payer), that is adequate for the rest of the self funded drivers in the country, or have a fancy car funded by yourself and sacrifice your benefits and everything that comes with it.

But what is adequate for the non disabled driver isn't always going to be adequate for the disabled driver.

Octavia64 · 17/11/2025 12:19

Blue badges are completely separate. Nothing to do with motability at all.

each council has their own scheme for blue badges and it’s very inconsistent across the country.

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 12:20

Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 11:59

Even a WAV Berlingo requires an up front payment of up to £5k and that doesn't cover any potential adaptations.

That's ludicrous, there should be one fully funded option availble only for wheelchair users, even if it needs to be slightly more subsidised, since ultimatly this is what most people would consider to be the most appropriate users of the motabilty scheme. Everyone else just gets a reasonbly priced hatchback, take it or leave.

x2boys · 17/11/2025 12:20

RegusGirl · 17/11/2025 10:26

As usual, it is because the system is being abused. I couldn’t understand how so many people on our local council estates had Mercs and BMWs. Then it turned out they were funded by Motability as they had elderly parents they needed to ferry around.

You dont get a motability car because you hsve elderly parents to ferry around 🙄

Blissybop · 17/11/2025 12:21

Periperi2025 · 17/11/2025 12:15

Okay, so make a choice, drive a reasonably priced functional car funded by the government (tax payer), that is adequate for the rest of the self funded drivers in the country, or have a fancy car funded by yourself and sacrifice your benefits and everything that comes with it.

But the cost of a Dacia Duster and the cost of a BMW still takes up the exactly same amount of a disabled persons mobility component - all of it.

If a disabled person is able to work and is able to pay 4k for the down payment on a car out of their own money then why should they then not be allowed to use access areas for disabled people? I’m genuinely not following your logic.

Plus the one size fits all approach of having two cars is never going to work. As I mentioned I work with disabled people doing their PIP appeals and helping them with their mobility grant applications and they all have very different needs.

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