Labour isn't working - Thread 19

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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It's everywhere. Over the weekend we had conversations with a yacht broker and the owner of our local (plant) nursery; the broker says the phone has just about stopped ringing since the delayed Budget was announced and the nurseryman said if he didn't own his premises outright he'd have closed his business by now.

Morning all, and welcome to our newbies. Cold here in East Anglia, but it’s more the wind than the air temperature at the moment.

Still bloody angry about the Council Tax proposals here, I wouldn’t be so cross if they were reevaluating all the bands. I worked it out and with this proposal, possible lowering of the HRT threshold and VAT on school fees, we would be about £8k a year worse off under this Government and with nothing to show for it.

Labour desperately need some kind of ‘win’, in a vain attempt to distract the electorate from the current mess they have created.

Appears that challenge has fallen to Mahmood - not that the left of the party are happy - they are positively incandescent, calling her the R word etc.

Wow, this thread will finish before the budget!

🔥🔥 hottest thread in town 🔥🔥

Says as much about the national mood as any poll!

Do they get a vote on this stuff?

Starmer braced for backlash from Labour MPs as Mahmood sets out asylum plans…

This is the current extent, I think.

If Labour cannot get through changes to immigration, surely they are sunk?

They are truly in government, but not in power.

Thanks. She might be better in another party and us better without Labour.

They're mad about that. Yet sit like stuffed dummies about all the budget crap that will affect their constituents.

I suspect that their MPs pay and expenses have gone to their heads.

I reckon we can squeeze at least 2 more threads in before the Budget - certainly at the rate this lot keep generating stories!

People don’t like it that we chat 😬

They can’t keep hounding people, that must be hard to deal with 😝

Mahmood needs to amend the ECHR as a priority otherwise I fear her reforms will mean nothing.

Should be an interesting listen. I’ll report back.

This is from the guardian - interview with Alex Norris, the border security and asylum minister

When Nick Robinson, the presenter, put it to Norris that this means that the 20-year would in practice apply to almost no one, and that the government was just trying to send out a “tough message”, Norris said he did not accept that. He went on:

Let’s not forget, I’m afraid, that of those who have successful [asylum] claims, 50% of them end up on benefits.

50%! that’s crazy!

Starmer braced for backlash from Labour MPs as Mahmood sets out asylum plans – UK politics live - The Guardian https://apple.news/A2YnHRuxwTmm7UU8vRzJR5Q

Thanks. Its quite something to read a Labour home sec introducing Trump style policies.

Andrew Neil on the radio was explaining the perils of sending people back to the DRC this morning. Can you imagine if Reform or the tories were proposing to do that?

Yep.

You are so right - accusations are racism would be thrown around.

This threatens to bitterly divide Labour, even further.

Just trying to catch up but yes, pretty much any change to immigration/asylum etc will have the human rights lawyers jumping all over it and the outcome often seems to negative for our human rights.

And all the pressure to speed up the asylum claims process will not lead to good quality outcomes.

Yes the backlash is picking up, quotes from Creasy etc

I can’t see if they’ll need to be voted on to go through. They might rebel.

Yes. Root cause - needs amending.

Right.

If they can’t get material changes through, then Starmer is without power nor mandate - evidently he is unable to reform welfare nor immigration, apparently.

The electorate will not stand for it. I sense very real resentment and growing anger. The 26th cannot come soon enough.

MPs will need to vote, so there is a possibility of rebellion

There is also the very real possibility that these changes will bring legal challenge, somewhat ironically on ECHR grounds.

Exactly. Just like anyone sensible can’t amend gun laws in the USA. Makes a mockery of a ‘government’ really. When the said gvt is unable to work for the people who it governs. Unless things change we’re all stuck with the desires of labours loony back benches.

Rayner will surely be mobilising MPs on this. Powell maybe. Some quotes from others already coming up.

Its a gamble if they rebel it’s game over.