Labour isn't working - Thread 19

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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David Milliband has thrived in the private sector. His brother would sink like a stone, as would Raynor.

Is the average IQ of people in this country falling. If so why? Environment, diet, education? It's baffling.

Unfortunately, people's views are much worse than Mumsnet in the real world. The reason why people vote Labour is because they take from the rich and give to the poor. They believe they should be given a bigger house if they have more babies but there is not enough available properties for 4 or 5 children plus them in housing associations. A lot of the time they are not working and you have to explain to them the rents and bills are higher, and benefits will not cover the rent. It's a scandalous system where they believe everything from money to housing should be given to them. They do bring immigrants into why they should be given. There is a lot of resentment towards immigrants for this reason. A lot of the time when they are given a bigger home by the housing association they leave because they can't afford it. Benefits will not cover the rent.

The welfare bill should be cut and those who are claiming should be forced out to work. Labours politics doesn't work in today's society it's too vindictive against hard working people. The first budget that Rachel Reeves gave it was an up yours to the conservative party. It was uncomfortable watching. I probably won't vote in the next election I don't trust any politician.

My writing is crap tonight sorry ! I have posted on another thread and it is shit..

Shame, I respect them both.

@Damnthetorpedoes shocking figures.

Of course we have a migrant problem but the welfare state is also big because there are too many British people on benefits and the lot of the Labour Party voted against welfare reforms.
It’s the backbenchers who just want to keep their seat , and don’t want to upset their voters. But they are running us into the ground.

We are heading towards financial ruin, I believe Farage when he says that.

This is a absolutely outrageous and shouldn't be allowed. Other countries wouldn't offer these kind of generous benefits especially to non nationals- so why are we expected to!

@MyNeedyLilacBird
@Damnthetorpedoes

Out of a total of 8 million claims in the UK.

About 85% of claims are British nationals.

Asylum claims are often short term until they find work - if claim is accepted.
What we need is a quicker/better processing system so work is found quicker if reason for being here is legitimate.

Once work is found, the long term contribution to the economy outweighs the short term negative impact.
Italy currently have a far right government who have U-turned on their initial immigration policy to accept more/boost economy.
We certainly don’t take more than other EU countries - we are 17th on the list - per capita.
Flagship Reform UK council in the UK are either in disarray - or u turning on initial tax promises themselves.

My understanding is that asylum seekers get a different type of benefit - asylum support - while their claims are being processed. Once they are processed they can apply for universal credit. It’s not that that figure of 1.2 million being on UC is people who are going through the asylum process. They have already been processed, they could get a job.

Hang on a minute! Is this right? So someone on £80k pays 48% tax and someone on £800k pays 47% tax?

basic rate is 20% plus NI of 8% up to £50k
higher rate is 40% plus national insurance of 8% up to £125k
additional rate is 45% plus NI of 2%

No, that’s not right. Both pay 8% NI on their income up to £50,270 and 2% on the proportion of income above that. Also, someone on £800k pays a higher proportion of their income in tax than someone on £80k because they don’t get the tax free allowance.

NI goes down to 2% at higher rate tax.

Originally there was actually a cap - and no NI above that amount. It was an insurance premium for unemployment and retirement benefits - so there was a fixed maximum insurance premium to pay, but it was set as a percentage of income up to that full premium payment, to help lower earners.

Then redistribution creep happened.

On £80k you pay around 31% of your total income in tax and NI. On £800k it’s around 45.5%.

Thank you @Boohoo76and @strawberrybubblegumI understand it now.

£20k income -> £17,920 net pay -> £2,080 tax -> 10.4%
£35k income -> £28,719 net pay -> £6,218 tax -> 17.9%
£80k income -> £56,958 net -> £23,042 tax -> 28.8%
£100k income -> £68,557 net -> £31,443 tax -> 31.4%
£150k income -> £91,285 net -> £58,715 tax -> 39.1%
£200k income -> £117,786 net -> £82,214 tax -> 41.1% tax
£800k income -> £435,786 net -> £364,214 tax -> 45.5% tax

And they say the broad-shouldered don't pay their 'fair share' 🙄

How rich are you?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/1e062273-91bf-4abf-aaf7-fc429e67c1f9?shareToken=b6ad7a560a411ad58cbb8a4c7e8f872c

interesting on falling higher wages and compressed middle….morning - busy week ahead ‘not working’

Good morning!

New joiner here. My background - a long time Labour voter. Now, hugely disenfranchised with the current government, who I thought were going to deliver great things for the UK. We have suffered financially at home, and dread what is coming with the budget.

I work in finance and am keen to add to your thread where I can.

PS. Very impressive thread longevity and content!

@SouthernAccents

Welcome. I’d say I veer more to the left, but think there needs to be an ebb and flow between left/right.
What I don’t want is the alternative current top of the polls, or UK to move towards segregation/division in our communities.
I also think a European comparison is so important. We constantly think we are the worst, but I don’t think we are.
The world has felt financial pressure since Covid.

Welcome @SouthernAccentsyou’re in the right place. It’s a thread for people who think Labour isn’t working.

@SouthernAccents

And yes - poor performance from Labour but the previous Tories were also poor.
I don’t think we could/should expect everything to bounce back after Covid.

An extreme government led by a master manipulator is not the answer.

the uk economy hasn’t recovered from a series of shocks since the 2008 financial crisis, compressing wages. We can’t tax and public sector spend our way out of low wage growth. We need a panel of experts to implement measures to boost wage growth.

abolishing stamp duty, barrriers to moving, making pensions (all) belong to a person an easily portable would be where I’d start. There are big levers and small - people need to be mobile to chase higher wages and better opportunities

Sounds good to me. Needs to cover more countries of course.

https://news.sky.com/story/home-secretary-to-announce-largest-shake-up-of-uk-immigration-in-modern-times-13471410

I’m hoping whoever comes after Labour understands how to incentivise. I could even see a book after they’re out given people stepping back and saving. Plus people coming back into the UK

They just need to not wreck the place too much first and go maybe before three years but not yet.

I had supper with the gay lawyers last night very clued up and we were discussing what’s going on. So the next leader of Labour cd be Rayner or Milliband this will be even worse we all agreed. Even more the fact they will lose their seats to Reform which causes a bigger problem Burnham can’t be parachuted into a safe seat as that is bad form. Starmer could do a snap election if he seems he’s going down in flames hence Farage saying 2026/27 election either way hold onto your hats.