Labour isn't working - Thread 18

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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What are reforms economic policies? Putting aside what is covered by the RW press - Ive not seen any pragmatic, realistic policies, only sound bites and putting others down. Can you tell me say 10 positive, constructive, implementable economic policies that have been put forward by them?

@Squarealarmclock I know you asked @redange but I think you probably need a Reform thread to find out about their economic policies? I've not seen them discussed here. I don't even know if they've decided what their economic policies are.

Actually, in reality, nobody will decide until a month before the election! Or 16 days before a budget!

our inability to accept what used to be a British institution loved by many and affectionately known as "the Beeb" or "Auntie" has turned into something unrecognisable and also untrustworthy

Agreed. It used to be a symbol of the UK's democratic strength - with a commitment to truth and fairness - and also our commitment internationally with the BBC world service. (I'm old enough to have travelled to out-of-the-way places when there wasn't access to the Internet, and it held a nostalgic place in my heart as a reliable link to 'the civilised world')

In recent years, the obvious bias generally pisses me off pretty rapidly, and I don't use it by choice. But I thought it was just modern reporting standards.

I'm truly shocked that they modified the US president's speech in order to deliberately mislead, to reflect their own political agenda.

And that they deliberately broadcast anti-Israel bias into the Arab world, fanning the flames of conflict.

Both are such a betrayal of UK cultural values. I feel like I don't recognise the BBC anymore... and sadly it feeds into my feeling that I don't recognise the UK any more either.

I'm really not at all clear what Reform's economic policies would be, I'm also just left with a general sense that they might be more fiscally left-wing than the Tories. Either way, they've got a huge lack of experience which worries me.

I wonder what will happen if Trump carries out his threat to sue the BBC.

@Julen7
@TheNuthatch

Except prior to this weekend there had been no incidents of crossings since October 22nd.
Then a sudden high number as the weather was favourable.
There will be less crossings over winter months now.
So when you quote that figure it’s best to put perspective on it - that number isn’t happening on a daily basis.

Agree.

As I think regulars here will know, I am very doubtful indeed about Reform’s economics. The trouble with the unthinking part of the right - like Reform - is that it merges into the economic left: sweeteners and handouts for supporters and casting blame on others when it all goes horribly wrong.

Also agree. The economy is a fairly fragile thing and easy to bugger up. God I miss Sunak.

I think an advantage of any party with a long history is there are highly experienced or talented former MPs, or current MPs with previous front bench experience, who have a wealth of expertise and experience to offer.

Just a great pity Labour isn't currently availing themselves of said expertise.

God I miss Sunak.

Every. Day.

That’s just common sense.

And it wasn’t a line pursued or accepted by Labour in opposition.

But then, if you ‘smash the gangs’ what do the weather or sea conditions matter?

Excuse me while I laugh out loud at the rhetoric of that sturdy, purposeful and effective man, Sir Keir.

Yep and there’s a lot of posters who got us here. I knew Labour would be this.

He was personally sure he could smash the gangs. How did someone with his background get it that wrong?

The numbers this year have exceeded 39K. That's only 2% less than in 2022. How's that for perspective? I don't need your advice or education thank you.

As for Farage, I'm not even slightly interested. I'll look at their policies at the next election. Its a very common deflection from the left to keep pointing to Reform. Right now, my concern is the damage Labour are inflicting on my business, and the impact that will have on my family.

The other thread must be very boring today.

He’s a foolish self-important wanker. That’s how.

@TheNuthatch
@Julen7

When compared to other EU countries we rank 17th per capita intake. Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Greece account for 82% of first time asylum seekers in 2024.

True 😂

This with bells on!

Thats their problem. I live in England.

So you keep saying.
Actually, when adjusted for population size, we’re 5th.

How did he end up PM? 🤯

at the indignation that The Telegraph is, indeed, not impartial.

We used to get higher quality visits.

What happened?

Yes, the very apparent BBC bias combined what appears to be the unravelling of the Monarchy since the death of Queen Elizabeth and the fact there is currently a malicious and incompetent Government in charge is a perfect storm. The UK isn't the country it used to be.

God only knows what will happen to us in the long term.

Did you see the woeful competition he had when he became the party's leader?!

IKR! Its the B team, at best.

We need a derogatory name for the BBC.
The left love Daily Fail, Torygraph, G Beebies etc. We need one for the BBC.

😂