Thread 37 Starmer: pinko commie slimeball

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I’m pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that it wasn’t available on BBC services in America. Of course, people can use VPNs etc to get onto iPlayer but that’s not the BBC’s fault. Neither is it down to them if another organisation shows it. Plus he’d struggle to show reputational damage anyway as a) he didn’t have a good reputation in the first place and b) he went on to be elected.

As far as I know it was not legally available in the US.

That isn't necessarily a bar to a US court taking the case - the barrister example of a snowball thrown near a border may arise.

However he is time barred in the UK, unless he can show that he could not have known about (whatever he thinks he can sue for) until over a year later. Considering it was a national TV broadcast a claim like that would not impress anyone who was formerly in awe of US intelligence.

The key thing he'd have to prove is that the program - and the program alone - either caused him a financial loss, or a reputational loss. Since he won the 2024 election it would be hard to show a material loss. And plenty of people called him an insurrectionist cunt before the program was aired. The BBC are welcome to use any and all of the posts I would have made pointing this out at the time if they need a hand.

It took a year for anyone to notice the edited splice.

Defamation suits are basically about reputational damage based on falsehoods.

Time barred in the UK. Florida allows 24 months to lodge a complaint.

Almost as if someone was searching very hard…

Oh, right. Thanks.

The charter is up in 27. Expect there to be another couple of years of attacks between now and then.

Reading about the Telegraph saga, it seems the market is starting to feel they have milked right wing rabble rousing as far as it pays.

Like Reform support, it's reached it's natural limit.

He’ll have to find someone in Florida that watched the programme and thought worse of him due to the splice.

David Allen Green

A brief thread on Trump renewing his threat to sue the BBC. (Note I am not an American lawyer, this is perspective of an English legal commentator.)

https://skywriter.blue/pages/did:plc:nx2kxyxako6sobj4g4pdkl6s/post/3m5nvmmq3s22q

The issue is what damage it may have done to Trump’s reputation.

Then the Telegraph might like to look at its coverage at the time.

I think it would be very hard to show that the BBC in doing this materially altered Trump’s reputation. I don’t think they should have done it, but the issue of damage and actual harm is not clear.

That’s not the reason.

Florida does not require a trial in civil suits, meaning you are more likely to receive an award (assuming you win), and damages, more promptly.

I speak from professional experience.

There is a fantastic media lawyer called Mark Stephens who I respect. He reckons Trump won’t get anywhere - but that is not the point, it’s the damage it will do.

Also agree on the tariff point. This won’t be good news for UK television production

How many programmes does the BBC make in Florida?

Mark Stephens is quoted in this article from CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/11/uk/trump-bbc-sue-one-billion-explainer-intl

Trumps works on the basis of intimidation rather than legal advice.

This is helpful for understanding the process in Florida:

https://www.xanderlawgroup.com/understanding-the-civil-litigation-process-step-by-step/

So I see we had a couple of visitors earlier. One of them looks as if they’ve been banned (as AS shows no posts in that name), the other only ever posts on these threads, so obviously namechanges just to post here.

Did I miss anything of note?!

No

I doubt banned. Just nc'd for this thread and had all those posts deleted. It seems to be a hobby.

As ever, I missed the drama.

Probably previously banned, the posts weren't worth reporting

The posts were boring and irrelevant. The link was an old news story as well.

There wasn't really any drama - and the posts disappeared fairly quickly for a Saturday morning so I'm going with PBP too

How disappointing

This is really sad and concerning. I hope something is done.

www.theguardian.com/business/2025/nov/15/half-of-all-uk-jobs-shed-since-labour-came-to-power-are-among-under-25s

Given that we live rent free in these people's heads, do we still get a say in decor and furnishings?